Foreign Spouse Tax Issues

Readers of this group will recall ad nauseum my questions about tax treatment for a foreign spouse. Well we did get married and she is a U.S. legal resident and I'm actually trying to prepare a return.

I did hire an accountant, but in one of our first conversations we had an issue, not in an angry way, a mutually respectful way, so let me ask about that issue and others.

Basic fact: My wife lives and works in Canada, was there for the entire tax year, and clearly qualifies as a foreign resident under the bona fide test. She has no US income.

The issue I had with the accountant was that he said her mortgage interest and property taxes are not deductible. I looked at a number of sources including IRS Pub. 936, and found no reference whatsoever to it not being deductible. The accountant said that because her income from Canada would be excluded, we would in effect be deducting her interest/property taxes against my USA income, and the IRS would not allow that. I do recall some examples in publications pertaining to the FTC and FEIE that showed expenses related to producing foreign income where the expenses were not deductable on the US tax return because the income was not taxable here. But those would seem to have nothing to do with a primary residence. IRS would never take the position that ownership of a primary residence is an element of producing income, else people would deduct all their housing expenses! Also, one has nothing to do with the other really - if one spouse owns a home but has no income, and the other has income but doesn't own a home, the deductible homeownership expenses are still deductible to the couple.

The accountant seemed to somewhat grudingly agree with me, and said he is going to look for a specific citation, but he ended our conversation implying that I shouldn't hire him, because if he prepared the return he would have to attach a statement that the return takes a position he doesn't agree with, and that's obviously the last thing I need. Especially when I think my position is 100% reasonable. What do you folks think?

Moving beyond that, the other issues are deductibility of provincial income taxes, RSP contributions (same as our IRA here), and contributions she makes to her pension plan (she is a government employee and has a defined benefit plan to which she must contribute). I would be interested in opinions, but I suspect that:

a) While provincial income taxes are fundamentally the same as state income taxes, "fundamentally the same" don't cut it with the IRS. Publication 17 says that "Foreign Income Taxes" are deductible, but I know you can't take the foreign tax credit and deduct the taxes also, and you can't double-dip if you are taking the foreign earned income exclusion. I would LIKE to say that the federal income tax to Canada is what's affected by the FTC/FEIE, and the provincial income taxes are deductible like state income taxes - but I think I'm SOL here.

b) I likewise doubt that her contributions to her pension plan are deductible/excludeable. But maybe somebody knows better.

Thanks in advance.

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Hank Youngerman
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You are allowed to deduct qualified mortgage interest on two homes. It doesn't matter that one home may be in the US and the other in Canada. So... the accountant is wrong unless that home in Canada was a third home.

Provincial income tax is the same as federal income tax to the US. They are both foreign income taxes. If all of your spouse's income is excluded from the US return, there is no deduction or credit for foreign taxes paid. If some of her income is not excluded then you can use the formula on page 7 of IRS Pub 514 to see how much of the taxes she paid may be available for a US tax benefit.

Her contributions to her Canada pension and RRSP are not deductible on her US return (they're not US qualified plans). However, to the extent that any contribution she made was pre-tax and lowered her Canada income, that lower income is what gets translated to US dollars.

Lastly, the RRSP is treated as an investment account for US tax purposes, and any income would be subject to US tax unless an election to defer taxation of accrued income is made. This election is made using IRS form 8891. If properly made, the election defers taxation of income as long as the contributions were made while she was a resident of Canada. If she makes the election, then in the future when she starts to take distributions and they are taxed by Canada and the US, she can avail herself of the foreign tax credit to avoid double taxation. She would also have to file US Treasury form 90.22.1 to disclose foreign bank accounts, and the appropriate disclosure should be made at the bottom of Schedule B of Form 1040.

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Alan

I had pretty much concluded everything you said. The accountant modified his position and said there is no issue about deducting her interest/property taxes. I agree about the provincial income taxes. Unfortunately, I think her pension contributions are "deductible" and not "pre-tax." In working the numbers through TurboTax, I did find the election to defer income on her RSP. Her income is under $92,000 this year. She is a teacher so the future trajectory of her income is relatively predictable (as long as she stays in Canada) and hopefully she will move to the USA before her income excedes the FEIE limit, but even if it does, she will never exceed it by a lot. All else being equal, I would prefer to use the FTC because the FEIE requires her to declare herself as a "bona fide resident of Canada" and that is not something I would like to explain later on to Citizenship and Immigration Services when I am trying to argue that she is actually a resident of the USA for immigration purposes.

Right now I'm wrestling with TurboTax, which as of the last time I left it, is trying to give me BOTH the FEIE and FTC. How nice that would be :). If it does, I promise beer all around for everyone in this group. (Don't hold your breath!)

Reply to
Hank Youngerman

I assume your reference here to being deductible are to her Canada tax return. As stated above, they are not deductible on the US tax return.

You've lost me here. Didn't you say in your original post that she was a legal resident of the US. I assumed you were saying that she had been admitted to the US as a permanent resident (she has her green card). So... what is it that you are trying to argue with CIS?

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Alan

Yes, I meant "deductible" on her Canadian tax return.

She has her green card, but it can be revoked. You have to actually be a U.S. resident. There is a presumption that if you leave the USA for over a year, you have abandoned your residency, but it's not a bright line test where you automatically keep your green card as long as you visit for a weekend every 51 weeks. It's a facts and circumstances test. The most important factor is whether, when you leave the USA, your absence is temporary and you have definite plans to return. But there are other factors. For example, the fact that she has a North Carolina driver's license but not an Ontario license argues in her favor. Using her USA credit cards instead of Canadian credit cards would be another factor. But saying she is a bona fide Candian resident for tax purposes would not exactly help us.

Since we were married less than two years when she got her green card, her residency is also "conditional" and we have to file after two years to have the conditional status removed. However, I think the test is whether the marriage itself is bona fide, a test we won't have any trouble meeting.

Still, these are legal, not tax issues, I just don't want the two to pull in different directions if I can help it.

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Hank Youngerman

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