living in debt is a lifestyle choice for millions

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How living in debt is a lifestyle choice for millions

By Sarah Womack, Social Affairs Correspondent (Filed: 24/02/2006)

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More than 20 million Britons are in debt, according to a survey out today that reveals the extent of the country's "spend now, pay later" lifestyle.

It says the nation is gripped by a borrowing culture, with the vast majority of those in debt showing no concern about the amount they owe.

Almost half of adults (44 per cent) owe money on a variety of credit and loan products, not including mortgages, according to the research by Mintel, the consumer analysts.

While a quarter of borrowers have debts of less than £500, eight per cent owe between £10,001 and £20,000, and a further five per cent have borrowed more than £20,000.

That adds up to around one in eight (13 per cent) borrowers - or 2.5 million adults - having total debts in excess of £10,000.

On top of that, 70 per cent of those who owe more than £10,000 are not concerned about their level of debt and one in four might consider borrowing more.

Only one in 20 borrowers is "very worried about the amount of debt that they hold", the report found, with the vast majority remarkably relaxed about their debt position.

Paul Davies, Mintel's senior finance analyst, said the survey appeared to suggest that consumer demand for credit might not yet have abated.

"While many people in debt might have the means to continue meeting their repayments, the high levels of debt and lack of worry does clearly represent a cause for concern," he added.

"Although the research certainly shows that an impending debt crisis is not inevitable, a large minority of households are extremely vulnerable to any deterioration in the prevailing economic conditions.

"A significant weakening in the labour market or a sustained bout of monetary tightening could clearly have a devastating impact on the finances of many consumers, and lead to a sharp rise in the level of bad debts."

Credit cards are the most common form of borrowing with almost three in

10 people holding an outstanding balance on one of these products. Six per cent of adults also have an outstanding balance on a store card.

Mr Davies said: "This high incidence of credit card and store card debt partly reflects the ease with which consumers can borrow through these accounts.

"These products have acted to blur the distinction between spending and borrowing and have helped to create a 'spend now, pay later' culture.

"The credit card industry's promotion of zero per cent purchases and balance transfers for fixed time periods will also clearly have encouraged some consumers to borrow money via this route."

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Crowley
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"Crowley" wrote

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That's good - where would all the savers be without borrowers to lend money to? :-)

Ah, but what proportion of that is on 0% or low-rate (eg 3.9%, 5.9%) ?

Reply to
Tim

In message , Tim writes

That is zero percent for 9 months by the way.

Reply to
Peter Watson

"Peter Watson" wrote

... or 6 months ... or 12 months. Or 60+ months, if you roll it over to other 0% deal cards!

But what's your point?

Reply to
Tim

In message , Tim writes

In 9 months you can arrange other 0 per cent deals so you could in theory never have to pay interest on loans. In reality it is more likely to average out at 3 to 4 percent. But I have played the zeroes for over a year

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Peter Watson

"Peter Watson" wrote

And even if they don't get any more 0% deals, a lot of people with 0% debt will simply pay it off at the end of the promotional period from the savings a/c that they had the money stashed in!

"Peter Watson" wrote

Even that is surely one of the cheapest forms of debt

- so why should the article seem to suggest that there's such a problem with that, when personal loan interest rates are usually at more than twice the interest rate?

Reply to
Tim

I have £15000 on a couple of credit cards at 0%, while it is earning me at least 4% before tax. Why should I be concerned?

Reply to
s_pickle2001

I have about £15000 on various credit cards at 0% or at low interest rate, while that money is earning me at least 4% before tax. Why is this a problem for anyone other than the credit card companies?

Reply to
s_pickle2001

Because you are getting 4% gross which works out at around 3% net (after tax deducted at source)

To take advantage of a 0% interest rate you have to pay a service charge currently 2 to 2.25%. The best offer availble at the moment is at Virgin 9 months 0% at a 2.5% service charge. This pans out to an effective 3.3% APR.

This is a better deal than you would get for a personal loan but it is impossible to borrow money to invest in low risk savings accounts and come out at a profit otherwise everybody would be doing it.

You can borrow low interest money to invest in higher risk investments like shares and come out out a profit but to do so you must be prepared to accept the risk that you will come out at a loss and indeed a significant one if you operate at levels that will make a difference to your life.

Reply to
Mel Rowing

Or if you (or your spouse) don't pay tax, you can get interest gross. We're earning

5% gross in a First Direct e-savings account.

Not according to:

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there are several cards which offer balance transfers with no charge.

Rubbish. Banks use loss leaders to get customers in hoping to fleece them if/when they stay, or if they haven't understood the way their "0%" deal works. As this tactic seems to work for the majority, they don't seem to mind making a loss on the minority who play the system.

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Andy Pandy

"Mel Rowing" wrote

This is a better deal than you would get for a personal loan but it is impossible to borrow money to invest in low risk savings accounts and come out at a profit otherwise everybody would be doing it.

** It is indeed possible because in many cases the 2% is capped at 50 or so. In my case, I had 48,000 on deposit in this way for which I paid 100 in transfer charges and which earned me 3% net. The current balancer has dropped to about half that but I still reckon it is earning me about 1,000 to 1,500 a year, depending on the balance.
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John Redman

"Mel Rowing" wrote

WRONG! - Some cards still don't always charge such a fee.

Others charge a maximum of 50, which is only 0.3% of 15,000 (say).

"Mel Rowing" wrote

WRONG! - Some offer 0% for **12** months.

Anyway, Virgin's fee is 2% but with a *maximum* of 50 [I just checked on their website].

"Mel Rowing" wrote

WRONG! - More like under 0.5% APR, if you borrow more than about 13,500.

"Mel Rowing" wrote

WRONG! - See above.

"Mel Rowing" wrote

Many, many people are. Aren't you?

Reply to
Tim

I heard that financial expert (forgotten his name) on Jeremy Whine's Radio Two show saying that the CC companies have now started to share a lot more information with each other about people who do this, with a view to limiting it or possibly ending it altogether.

Reply to
Chris X

"Andy Pandy" wrote

If you had a First Direct Offset, you'd effectively get

5.5%, tax-free, whether-or-not you were a taxpayer!
Reply to
Tim

But don't you have to make a minimum repayment every month even with 0%? Also - won't this negatively effect your credit rating with taking out thousands of pounds on credit cards?

Reply to
Sam Smith

"Chris X" wrote

That's funny. I've been doing this for around 3 years with *one* credit card, more-or-less continuously - pay off at end of 0% period then re-borrow a month or two later on a new 0% deal, on the *same* card.

Presumably(!), they've been "sharing the info" with *themselves* throughout those 3 years - so if they really wanted to stop it happening, they already had the info they needed years ago!

Reply to
Tim

For which I'd need a First Direct mortgage at 5.5%. Why would I want one of them?

If I had a personal loan at 15% APR then paying that off would effectively earn me

15% tax free!
Reply to
Andy Pandy

"Sam Smith" wrote

Yes - but that's not a problem, is it? You *do* have the dosh after all, stashed away in one of your accounts, so you can pay the monthly amounts easily from there!

Anyway, some cards' minimum is just 5 per month when you're on zero interest (assuming you don't take out the rip-off insurance cover!) -- whatever the size of the balance.

"Sam Smith" wrote

As always, it depends on the lender...

Reply to
Tim

Because you are getting 4% gross which works out at around 3% net (after tax deducted at source)

To take advantage of a 0% interest rate you have to pay a service charge currently 2 to 2.25%. The best offer availble at the moment is at Virgin 9 months 0% at a 2.5% service charge. This pans out to an effective 3.3% APR.

===============(dunno why the quotes dont work, OE no doubt)

What are you talking about? I have 10k on a card with no 'service charge', whatever that is. As its offset against my mortgage I guess its earning me about 8% or so.

Reply to
Tumbleweed

I take your point about the £50 cap and have in fact found a couple of cards with no balance transfer charge at all and so I have changed my tack a little.

However, how on earth do you crank up the initial balance of £48 000 without incurring hefty monthly interest charges (currently ~15.9% APR) bearing in mind that there is a minimum repayment on all balances (5% of £48 000 is £2400 p.m.)

Further I note that repayments are applied according to a hierarchy of liabilities on the account. Top of that list are fees and charges, next comes interest, then comes balance transfers and cash withdrawals and purchases come right at the bottom.

You will appreciate that I have never used a 0% interest blance transfer option on a credit card. In fact I have always settled in full each month. I am however intrigued at the notion of borrowing interest free money and investing it in rock solid investments with the prospects of a certain profit.

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Mel Rowing

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