New Scam

Feb 13, 2006 10 Replies

Apparently there is a new scam going around as described below - I can't quite see how it works, but I pass the warning on for what its worth:-



The day after my neighbour handed me a description of how this scam worked I received a telephone call (on my answering machine) and was able to recognise it for what it was - an attempt to obtain those three digits from the back of my credit card.



As this was all they asked for the presumption was that "They" already knew my card number! When I checked the ring-back number that was left on my answering machine, the Credit Card Company did not know of it, so I closed my account and ordered new cards with a different number. I shall also be more careful now with telephone ordering so that the new card numbers do not get out. This is how my informant told me the scam worked:



Caller : "This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card that was issued by (name of bank).



Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for 249.99 from a Marketing company based in (name of any town or city)?"



When you say "No" the caller continues with, "Then we will be issuing a credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching. The charges range from 150 to 249, just under the 250 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Your account has been charged with 249. We will correct that before you next statement and send your credit to (gives you your address), "Is that correct?"



You say "yes". The caller continues - "I will be starting a Fraud investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the Q800 number listed on the back of your card, ask for (name) and refer to this Control Number (number). The caller then gives you a 6 digit number. do you need me to read it again?"



Here's the IMPORTANT part of how the scam works. The caller then says, "I need to verify you are in possession of your card". He'll ask you to



"turn your card over and look for some numbers". There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security Numbers that verify you are the possessor of the card. These are the numbers you sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him.



After you tell the caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, "That is correct, that verifies that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say "No", the caller then thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back; if you do", and hangs up. You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card number.


My informant told me that when he had received this telephone call he did call back about twenty minutes later to ask a question. Of course he telephoned the REAL Visa Security Department and was he glad that he did! The REAL Visa Security Department told him it was a scam and that IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES a purchase of 249.99 had been charged to his card!



What the scammers want is the 3-digit number on the back of the card. Don't give it to them. Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or Mastercard directly for verification of their conversation. The real VISA will never ask for anything on the card as they already know what is on it since they issued the card!


It looks an easy scam to spot but that's because we know all about it. I'm not sure if I would have been canny enough to spot it if I had not been forewarned. I would have seen the caller as "On my side" and could well have ended up by thanking him!


That's why I've taken the trouble to pass this message on to you. Perhaps you would like to warn the people in your address book.


I see you have just discovered the cut and paste keys. This is almost **exactly** word for word from the snopes urban myths site.

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Example; Snopes Person calling says, "This is Carl Patterson (any name) and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card issued by 5/3 bank. Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99 from a marketing company based in Arizona?" You "This is (name), and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card that was issued by (name of bank). Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for 249.99 from a Marketing company based in (name of any town or city)?"

Snopes; we called back within 20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA security dept told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of $497.99 WAS put on our card. You; he did call back about twenty minutes later to ask a question. Of course he telephoned the REAL Visa Security Department and was he glad that he did! The REAL Visa Security Department told him it was a scam and that IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES a purchase of 249.99 had been charged to his card!

Scarily similar dontcha think? Not just the wording, but the USE of UPPER CASE in the same PLACES, the 20 minute call back, 15 minute purchase, same badge number. Spoooky!

Snopes have it classed as 'true' even though they cant actually refer to an instance of it, but Im going to hazard a guess that you or your 'informant' just copied it straight out, changing only Dollar -> Pounds and the amount, hence it classifies as a new urban myth in the making. Not to say it cant happen but your wording is so close, it obviously never happened to you or your so called informant.

The other give away is the 'pass it on to everyone in your address book' comment at the end. Got a Neiman Marcus cookie recipe you can send us?

3/10, Must Try Harder.

Thanks for the reply - I guess that I revealed my naivety as I believed my 'so called' informant who was / is someone whom I would trust. However it is interesting to note that this is not a complete myth as your reference seems to indicate that it can and does happen. I take the point that it has been happening for some 9 years. Just shows that others can cut and paste as well. I did from the E Mail I received.

However if I have misled anyone or added to the status of this 'urban myth' then I appologise.

One of my colleagues in work apparently knows someone who had it done to them, and they received a similar call themselves last week.

Misquoting a song... I met a man whose brother said he knew a man who knew the man you're talking about.

Tiddy Ogg.

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One of my cards, I cannot remember which one, required me to quote the

3 digit security number when I called to activate the new (replacement for expired) card.

As Barry Norman said "And I know that's true. Elvis told me, on the bus this morning!"

I know what you mean, but in this instance, I know the girl who sent out the warning personally - she`s a security admin, and not known to make such stories up.

Fits the pattern of many rumours like this, I had one sent to me* last year by someone in security in another company who I know, it turned out she was sent it by a well-meaning policeman (I checked) who was "warning" many security people at local companies of this supposed 'scam'; when I checked back, he'd been sent it by someone he trusted and sent it on. When I first queried it, she said 'it must be true it was sent by the local police dept they wouldnt make it up'. As it happens, they didnt, but they did pass it on! [This was one of the 'dont press XXX' or they will make free telephone calls using your number' supposed-scams]

I'm sure the same will be true in your friends case, or do you *really* believe her account, when its *exactly* word-for-word to the snopes site. Its not just similar, its the exact same thing. Show it to her and see what she says. Chances are, someone else sent it to her. It could not have been told to her, the wording is *way* too close, she even remembered the security number (what are the odds of that), and it was the *exact* same 5 digits as Snopes..do you reckon the scammers feel they have to use the same

5 digit 'badge number' world wide as a lucky charm?

You'll find, when something like this happens, that several people often warn you about these things over the space of a few days or that it happened to a 'friend of a friend'. I have someone that usually emails me (and a vast dist list of people) every time one of these crop up.....six degrees of seperation and all that.

Tumbleweed wrote

Well, I certainly don't press "9" when a cold calling company spews out its message to my answer phone (you know - Florida holidays), and tells me to press "9" for further information.

I do get regular scares, usually virus warnings from a particular correspondent who isn't too bright and passes *everything* on to his address book . . .

If you phone them, you know who is at the other end, if they phone you they could be anyone.

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