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Hello all, first time posting here, hope you can help ;-)

I have recently become interested in the UK government's policy of increasing the population to solve the future tax burdon for the pensions timebomb we hear so much about. It seems that their answer is to provide more people who will pay tax. They have announced their policy to increase the population, and they are providing incentives like Working Family Tax Credit and additional child-benefit to kick-start the programme.

To analyse this, I believe that there are certain statistics, showing trends for the last few years which I need to research. They are:

  1. What are the actual population figures?

  1. How many people claim income-based benefits (including Working Family Tax Credit), and what is the average amount claimed?

  2. How much does it cost the country to maintain an individual throughout his/her life? (By this I mean actual costs in road maintenance, food production, housing building programmes etc).

  1. On average, how much income-tax does an individual pay annually? (This average would need to include the entire population - including those who never pay tax, and include the years they are alive without earning).

  2. It also might be necessary to build another calculation which is based on population growth. Possibly something like... How much per person increase in population does the country need to invest to increase and improve essential services like public transport, schools, roads, council services etc. NOTE: This is not the same as maintenance costs as in [3] (above). This is the monetary investment increase to expand the services as required.

Now, the crux: Does anyone know where I could find these figures ? !

Also, for my analysis, is there any statistic which I may have forgotten to include here?

TIA

Howard.

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Approximately 63,000,000.

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Stephen GoldenGun

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Daytona

If I am not mistaken according to the UK census, the UK lost 800,000 young working males in the past 20 years through un-official emmigration. Perhaps a good start would be preventing that segment of the population from wanting to look elsewhere to live.

A good starting point is

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provides fairly accurate information though a touch general. A second place is to go to a local university and find the United Nations publications on comparative analysis of countries of the world. (can't recall the exact title for the life of me). Another totally viable option is to make pensions means based, with retirement based upon physical or mental limitations. Why waste the vast resource of brilliant educated and... due to the NHS Healthy people of an advanced age?

I think that a CRITICAL segment that is also missing from this equation is Corporate tax revenues. At one time the logic of giving corporations entity status was based upon the notion of what they could do for the society as a whole not just what they could do for the CEO/COO & political coffers. Having Ford own Jag, GM own Vauxhall, Lotus etc etc etc with all the SR management cash going to the US does little to help the UK. Also having good companys in the UK might retain or possibly even ATTRACT citizens who won't over burden the Dole roles or the Jail populations. Having a large Jail population does nothing but help politicians look tough on crime.

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System Prompt

Hi Fred,

I think that locking up too many people is a bad thing. We are king of Europe when it comes to locking people up. Many people think that it encourages career criminals thereby costing us more in the long run.

It also gives crooks no chance to turn over a new leaf.

In my opinion we should get away from "lock em up and throw away the key" attitude..it does not work. And leads to an unhealthy society....we should have a forgiving attitude to people...

In particular I think more should be done on younger children.....who go delinquent...perhaps we are too "softly softly" on the kids, and then too hard on them when they are older.

Does'nt it make more sense to "teach" kids properly, punish them accordingly, but give them a chance to learn, develop and learn from their past mistakes? So they then have the chance to start affresh.

What good is sticking a load of teen age joy riders in an adults prison? it just turns them into life long career criminals....if they have no hope of turning over a new leaf, if they can't see any future then they will just increase their crimes.

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Stephen GoldenGun

I am not sure of the European statistics but based on the States and Canadian results it seems that more jails breed better criminals. Personally I think there is a certain percentage of the population that will always need instituational "care" and if we can provide them a facility that is not a jail it might not only be cheaper but safer and more humane. (just a thought).

Stephen.

PS Didn't the British export all it's criminals to Austrialia and execute the remaining one's in the 17/1800's ;-) all in fun.

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System Prompt

No no your getting your facts wrong it was Canada

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Stephen GoldenGun

Ahh..... Well that explains a lot... Umm..... When do we get parole?

Stephen

PS isn't the Canadian environment & climate Cruel & Unusual punishment under the Geneva Convention?

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haha you thought we would let you back into the UK? Anyway, do you realise there are loads of brits who want to emmigrate over to Canada...I personally have a love for the great outdoors and I love the forests and lumberjacks.

Ahhh brilliant, I love your canadian sense of humour, really its good..but are you British?

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Stephen GoldenGun

lumberjacks.

Hey, that qualifies you. Have you been to london lately? You get on a bus, and you can be sitting next to someone who is speaking urdu, you can be sitting next to someone who is speaking chinese, swaheeli, arabic etc. so my point is that we are truly a multicultural nation now. So it does'nt matter if your black, red indian, or even french, you can still be feeling right at home in our multicultural society...

Well, what are you waiting for?

Have you thought about what happens if you get home sick?

ahh a true patriot eh?

Starts to get tricky once you include the "german" bit lol

Ahh yes, well he was'nt really liked by the establishment for some reason....or other...

OH my, the British will love you then, you'll be right at home....especially if your a manchester united fan!!

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Stephen GoldenGun

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