Will the US economy crash taking Britain's with it ? Greenspan's record under attack again.

"The fact is that Greenspan's policies over the past few decades have created vast and unsustainable imbalances in the US economy."

Merryn on Money:

America is not invincible

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29th January

IT IS tough being a contrarian these days. All the investments I used to write about, in the happy knowledge that I would be the only one tipping them, have come over all mainstream. Only three years ago a fund manager told me I was making a fool of myself persisting with "the gold thing". Today everyone's buying gold and everyone's tipping it.

The same can be said of silver, base metals, oil (we haven't heard much from the back-to-$40 crowd recently), Japan (which has made the cover of almost every British investment magazine this year) and this month even soft commodities - a year ago nobody knew what they were, now half the world appears to be spread- betting on the sugar price.

On the plus side, I am still hanging on to one opinion that puts me in something of a minority - the view that Alan Greenspan's legacy to America, as he prepares to retire on Tuesday, is a truly horrible one. Greenspan's many fans say that in his 18 years at the helm of the Federal Reserve he has presided over a low-inflation era of astonishing prosperity and stability. But is this true? The answer is that it depends how you look at it. Greenspan has prevented any huge crises actually taking place on his watch, so for that you could applaud him. However, what his preventative actions have also done is pretty much guarantee that a serious crisis will take place on his successor's watch, something I'd say isn't quite so praiseworthy.

The fact is that Greenspan's policies over the past few decades have created vast and unsustainable imbalances in the US economy.

In response to every single problem - the 1987 crash, the collapse of LTCM, the technology crash of 2000 and the corporate scandals of the early part of this century - he has cut interest rates and kept cutting them. But keeping rates this low - while it has averted obvious disaster - has had a nasty effect on the way the US economy sustains itself. Low interest rates mean more people borrow more money, and Americans have been borrowing in some style.

Last year four out of ten new homebuyers in America put down no deposit at all; in the past 18 years mortgage debt has jumped from $1,800 billion (£1,000 billion) to $8,200 billion; consumer-debt levels have quadrupled in the same time frame; the average American credit-card debt per family now stands at well over $8,000; and last year the savings rate in the US actually turned negative.

Government debt has soared at the same time. As Bill Bonner, author of Empire of Debt, points out, more government debt will have been issued during the eight years of the Bush administration than in the 200 years before that put together.

All this debt has - as Greenspan presumably intended - spurred asset prices and consumer spending upwards, something that has kept the economy moving ahead nicely in gross- domestic-product-growth terms - consumer spending has been the main driver behind the US economy for years now - and that has boosted asset prices to their current levels.

But nobody can borrow and buy for ever. Even Greenspan knows that. Last year he warned that periods such as this often end in tears: as soon as people get nervous, he said, risk premiums go up, asset values go down and debt is liquidated with major losses being made all round along the way.

Disaster may not come to the markets immediately - but I'm not sure that's a risk I'd like to take with my money.

I'm still steering well clear of American investments and I wouldn't be surprised if Greenspan were, too, as he heads off to a new world of $150,000- a-pop after-dinner speaking engagements.

Merryn Somerset Webb is a former stockbroker and now editor of Money Week. Her views are personal and investors should always seek professional advice

Reply to
Crowley
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Yes, there have been large unsustainable flows of money from the developing world to the developed world, and largely to the USA. That is because Americans love consuming and dislike saving. It has nothing to do with Federal Reserve policy and it could be controlled by appropriate tax incentives in saving - something outside the remit and scope of the Fed.

Tony

Reply to
Anthony R. Gold

in a globalised economy what difference does it make if missis poughkeepsie saves or mister lee of peking? some analysis of low interest rates suggests that a surfeit of savings is part of the mix....

regards...

Reply to
abelard

On 29 Jan 2006 06:19:47 -0800, "Crowley" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

A commentator with the courage to speak the truth. [Cue lardy: "she's just an idiot scribbler"]

Except the dot.com bubble and now a housing bubble! IMV Greenspin's only skill is at blowing bubbles and keeping them afloat.

Quite so.

B--o--o--m...

What a legacy!

He's retiring at just the right moment to save his reputation.

Reply to
hummingbird

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:18:16 +0000, "Anthony R. Gold" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

Into US bonds largely but the growth is decreasing. Asian banks are slowly switching from dollars into other currencies.

Interest rates?

Reply to
hummingbird

what about interest rates mister bluff artist

Reply to
abelard

What proportion of foreign currency holdings held by Asian banks are dollars, and what was the proportion five years ago? Or, if you don't like that question, what hard evidence do you have that Asian banks are slowly switching from dollars into other currencies?

Reply to
DVH

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:14:26 +0100, abelard mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

They're a bit low in the US, so don't encourage saving missus.

Reply to
hummingbird

so what...they're high enuf for the asians to save/hold $s at those rates...

Reply to
abelard

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:14:43 -0000, "DVH" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

I don't have figures without looking them up but it's lower today as a proportion.

I have no problem with it but I can't be bothered to look it up, which you can also do. I'm surprised you don't have such data off the top of your head.

The same reports which describe the above. Don't you read, there's a tonnage of stuff.

Reply to
hummingbird

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:17:16 +0100, abelard mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

"In decreasing numbers". What then? How will the bubbles be financed? Why yes: Greenspin can print some more dollars...

Reply to
hummingbird

so? but more likely they'll just keep racking up interest rates...

but there is another international problem which *may* effect policies to some degree in the short to medium term (i don't wish to comment in detail on that yet)

why do you suppose 'bubbles have to be financed'....there is no evidence that greenspan has ever done that....it is 'investors'/gamblers who drive 'bubbles' again, why would you care...if there are 'bubbles', they burst and the market corrects.... very little to do with (wise) central bank actions....meanwhile greenspan has told the government and/or markets when he thinks sommat may have the *appearance* of a bubble....

Reply to
abelard

greeny has created the conditions in which speculators/bubbles thrive

you make it sound almost painless

so have King and Lomax at the BoE and when the bubbles (credit/housing) burst a lot of people are gonna get covered in shit.

Reply to
Crowley

In short, because you say so. Oh well, please yourself.

Reply to
DVH

there were bubbles long before greenspan was invented....

1)i made no such claim... 2)you have a proposal to stop bubbles? or even identify them with much certainty?

eddie george was good...i am not up with king or lomax.... i would not want the job with brown the clown around....

1)if, not when... 2)life is hard....adults make decision and ride with the consequences
Reply to
abelard

Not as big as these buggers

the current bubbles are obvious to those with eyes

sensible

when, not if

I'm shedding no tears for 'em

Reply to
Crowley

1)the numbers get bigger but why does that scare you? the money (numbers) are worth less...ie you are measuring in an ever shrinking unit 2)the world is getting richer at an incredible pace...wealth is *not* static....there are simply more cars and christmas puddings around this year

that is *your* judgement....next what do you want to do about it? and what about those who don't believe you...eg houses will go up forever? what do you want to do about idiots who very much want to believe in fairy tales?

maybe..maybe not...meanwhile they have a roof and a dinner conversation topic....

so why the apparent hysteria? some of them will even learn from the hard real world....

i want economics taught (properly!) in schools and a few other things....meanwhile this is the reality to which people have to adjust

Reply to
abelard

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:25:06 -0000, "DVH" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

No, because others more learned than I say so. Please don't blame me if you fail to keep up with the news dumpty...

Reply to
hummingbird

Largely irrelevant now.........the damage has been done.

Reply to
Crowley

when you follow the post that is frightening you...or at least attempt to follow it... then you may be in a position to make a little sense

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abelard

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