Can Q2006 PH&B assign an entry to a tax year?

Every year at tax time I'm reminded of something I wish Quicken would do: store an optional tax year date for an entry in addition to the normal date when the entry really happened. For instance, if I receive, deposit, and enter a check in January but it's for the previous tax year, I have to enter a false date so when I do a report it shows in the correct tax year. Has Quicken done something like this in Q2007 or Q2008, or just added more useless features and introduced another round of bugs?

Reply to
Bob Fry
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No. Everything is date driven. Even accounting software like Quickbooks or Peachtree don't have the option that you are looking for.

Are you a cash or accrual based company? Individuals are all cash basis.

Use the real date on the transaction instead of the date it cleared the bank. Then let Q match the bank download to the manual entered transaction.

Reply to
Laura

I have suggested to Intuit that they make "tax year" a separate Quicken date field, available to the user. But I haven't been holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

Intuit has a Feedback link at their Support web site: you can post your desires there.

Why do you assume that features that do not appeal to you are "worthless"? Are you posing yourself as the judge of what features are useful and which are not? Do you claim to speak for other Quicken users?

Can you offer verifiable evidence of any useful software that does not have bugs?

Reply to
John Pollard

IF your a sole proprietor, where you and your business are a single tax entiry, which is the intended market for H&B, THEN you're a cash basis taxpayer.

AS SUCH, since you received the payment in January (presumably 2008), then it's included in 2008 income, no matter when the work was done.

QUIT COMPLAINING!!!

This means that you don't have to pay taxes on it until 2009.

db

Reply to
danbrown

Hi, Bob.

Remember that Quicken is primarily a bookkeeping program and only secondarily a program for recording tax information. We discussed this (again) several weeks ago. You should record in Quicken the actual date that you received the check, no matter when the income was earned or when it was mailed to you. (You haven't said whether this is a paycheck for employment in December, or a payment for goods sold or services performed by a business; since you are asking about H&B, I'll guess the latter.) You should keep your records according to what actually happened to you and your business. Let your customers record in their books what actually happened from their perspective. Make sure that your records are good enough so that you can reconcile any differences between what you report and what your customers say. As we said before, it is quite normal and natural that your records and your customers' (or vendors') records can show different amounts - and both are correct. Usually it's just a matter of timing, and the differences can be easily reconciled.

Laura asked, "Are you a cash or accrual based company?" And that's a key question. She added, "Individuals are all cash basis"; that is not always true, but taxpayers who have elected accrual basis reporting of their individual income are very rare.

We elect cash or accrual when we file our FIRST income tax return and it's not easy to switch later; it requires approval by the IRS. That first return for most of us was when we were teenagers in our first job and practically all of us chose cash basis and we must use that for the rest of our lives.

But if we start a business, we have to choose between cash and accrual for that business. It is quite acceptable - and sometimes required - to use the accrual method for a proprietorship business, even if we continue to use the cash basis for our non-business income. An employee who starts a business on the side might choose use the accrual method for that business but still report his wages, interest income, investment gains and other transactions on the cash basis. If he has 3 proprietorship businesses, he might choose a different method for each of them. Again, though, the choice must be made on the FIRST return for each business and then cannot be changed in later years without IRS permission.

If you choose (or chose) the cash basis, you report the income when you receive it, even if it was earned last year - or 3 years ago. If you elected the accrual method, then you report it when it is earned, even if you haven't collected it yet.

This cash-versus-accrual topic is, first of all, an accounting question. Accountants were debating it long before there ever was an income tax. ;^}

This discussion could go on for a very long time, Bob, but this is enough for now unless you have a specific question.

I've been retired for a long time. This is a subject that doesn't change often, but you should check with your own CPA to be sure that the rules are still as I remember them.

RC

Reply to
R. C. White

Laura> Are you a cash or accrual based company? Individuals are Laura> all cash basis.

Laura> Use the real date on the transaction instead of the date it Laura> cleared the bank. Then let Q match the bank download to the Laura> manual entered transaction.

It's payment from a property management company for a couple of rental properties. Since they account for it in, say, December 2007, and their 1099 has it in tax year 2007, I have to have it in that year too. Hence the false date on my recording of its deposit in Quicken.

Reply to
Bob Fry

JP> I have suggested to Intuit that they make "tax year" a JP> separate Quicken date field, available to the user. But I JP> haven't been holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

JP> Intuit has a Feedback link at their Support web site: you can JP> post your desires there.

JP> Why do you assume that features that do not appeal to you are JP> "worthless"? Are you posing yourself as the judge of what JP> features are useful and which are not? Do you claim to speak JP> for other Quicken users?

Because for years, to maintain an income stream for what is essentially a complete (finished) product, Q has added trivial or dubious features and claimed a super-duper new product to intice upgrades. If the inticements don't work they use the stick of deliberately removing online data updates from their slightly old versions. Too bad the commercial software business model doesn't provide for a modest annual subscriber fee to maintain a product without the trickery.

Reply to
Bob Fry

I can see your dilema. To be consistant with the 1099 received you would need to record this in December. Are they sending the checks out on 12/31/07 so that you receive it in Jan 2008? Ask them to either wait until January to send the check or ask them to send it earlier in the month so that it is received in 2007.

Reply to
Laura

Laura> I can see your dilema. To be consistant with the 1099 Laura> received you would need to record this in December. Are Laura> they sending the checks out on 12/31/07 so that you receive Laura> it in Jan 2008? Ask them to either wait until January to Laura> send the check or ask them to send it earlier in the month Laura> so that it is received in 2007.

Well...I don't think they'll do it for one customer. It's not a big problem to change the entry date, but it would be a useful addition to Quicken to have an alternate date for reporting purposes.

Reply to
Bob Fry

If you must record it in the previous year here is what I do in Q (not PH&B) for anything that must be recorded in the previous year. Note that credit card charges may also be recorded in the year they paid or the year they are charged.

  1. Record the actual transaction when it occurs BUT use a non-taxable category and add a memo note to "see Dec 31".
  2. On Dec 31 add a Deposit of 1. Record the actual transaction when it occurs BUT use a non-taxable category and add a memo note to "see Dec 31". 2. On Dec 31 add a Deposit of $0 as a Split Transaction: A. Reverse the non-taxable entry from #1, +/- as appropriate. B. Make an entry into the proper taxable account, -/+ as appropriate. C. Add a memo note "See ..." using the actual transaction date. as a Split Transaction: A. Reverse the non-taxable entry from #1, +/- as appropriate. B. Make an entry into the proper taxable account, -/+ as appropriate. C. Add a memo note "See ..." using the actual transaction date.

This transfers the taxable effect to the previous year without upsetting your any balances.

Eric

Reply to
Eric

You speak only for yourself, but you pretend to speak for others.

Intuit is in business to make a profit, not to guarantee that YOU will be 100% happy with their product.

The terms you used to describe the features you found "worthless" are totally subjective. Terms like: "trivial" and "dubious".

The bottom line is that you can not support your false claim that new Quicken features are "worthless" ... even after being asked to do so. It is very clear that you think you should get special treatment that is not possible.

If you don't like Quicken, you are free to buy another product you like better, or build one yourself. Because you know that no better alternative is available ... you should know that your complaint is illegitimate.

Reply to
John Pollard

I have not come across any accounting software that does this. Have you?

Reply to
Laura

Of course he hasn't. It's easier to pretend that the world should subject itself to your needs, without regard to others.

Reply to
John Pollard

JP> You speak only for yourself, but you pretend to speak for JP> others.

Duhhh...this is Usenet. Get a clue. Quit acting like a NetCop.

Reply to
Bob Fry

I don't know what planet you're from, but "this is Usenet" doesn't mean squat. There are NO "cops" here; so we can all say what we want. When you make a post, anyone is entitled to comment on it; and no one has to guarantee you'll like what they say.

And if you can't support your statements, you'll be better off not making them.

So take your own advice: get a clue.

Reply to
John Pollard

Well said.....

Reply to
Laura

"Laura" == Laura

"John Pollard"

Hey "Laura" and "John"...you guys sock puppets for each other? The similar email addresses, and equally useless responses, are a clue....

Reply to
Bob Fry

Reply to
Laura

And just because you don't like my answers, does not make them useless.

Reply to
Laura

Gee, it seems like that problem is easily solved without monkeying with dates.

Why not 1st record the check as a receivable with a date, say, of

12/31/XX and offsets to whatever income/expense accounts are affected, and then record the deposit of the check in 01/DD/(XX+1) with the offset going to the receivable account? Result: all income/expenses reported in proper period for tax purposes and bank account activity reflects actual check transaction dates.

Tom Young

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TomYoung

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