Q2008Premier - Trouble with Budget Reporting

When I do that, I see no transfers involving retirement accounts.

Excluding the retirement "accounts" should exclude all transactions in those accounts, thus all transfers from those accounts. Excluding the retirement account "categories" should exclude all transfers into those accounts. And it does for me. If I exclude the accounts but keep the categories, I see the transfers into the retirement accounts, but not the transfers out of the retirement accounts.

I don't understand "adding new duplicate account entries".

Did you try recreating the report in a New Quicken file?

I tried to duplicate your problem, but could not (it didn't matter if I excluded the account categories or not). Maybe there is some other report setting that is involved.

Maybe some other factor.

Do you manually categorize some transactions to "_DivInc", etc.? Do you have split transactions - especially investment account "Cash Transactions" (bottom of "Enter Transactions" transaction drop down list) - in investment accounts doing that?

Do you use "Tags" ("Classes" in earlier versions)? Could they be involved?

John,

Thanks so much for the prompt reply over the Holidays. Since no one else was talking about this problem, I was afraid it was confined to my data file or the conversion of my data to the Q2008P format. Your response seems to confirm that.

However, after "playing" around with Q2008P some more, perhaps the problem is the old accounting for transfers between accounts that plagued earier versions of Quicken. 2004 is the latest to come to mind.

Humor me this, if you start with a clean budget report and include everything (i.e. mark all accounts and categories, including hidden), but set transfers to exclude internal, what do you see? I see transfers, but only to/from my taxable and retirement accounts that were budgeted. If I set Categories to non-zero actual/budgeted, I see all kinds of transfers!! And I see both sides of the transfers!! Transfers from my checking account to my savings account show up as both Income (To Savings) and Expenses (From Checking). As do now my IRA contributions and distributions. How can this be?? Aren't all of these transfers internal?

Oh, and yes, my investment category transactions all blow up (I have

And don't even get me started on Q2008P tax reporting. That's a whole set of new problems, at least with my data file. jluther3

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After reading your comment below, my answer here would be, basically yes.

No.

Starting in Q2004 the Quicken definition of "internal transfers" was changed. The original definition was "transfers between accounts included in the report", The new definition is "transfers within accounts included in the report". The key words are "between" and "within". Transfers "within" an account are basically "Opening Balance" or balance adjustment transfers (transfers back into the same account where the transfer is recorded) ... and those are the transfers you are excluding when you elect to "Exclude Internal" transfers.

I don't know why transfers would create the problem you describe, they didn't for me. But I don't think you answered some of my questions (though I grant they were just long shots, but all I could/can think of).

John,

Just got back from some unexpected and unplanned holiday travel. Time to hit this problem again if you're still around.

Thanks for the refesher on "internal transfers". Remember the issue, but had forgotten the details.

Now for the questions you had asked earlier......

I assume you mean manually entering "_DivInc" transactions. Sometimes, but that is true for all accounts. If you will remember, the problem I am seeing with my Budget report (with "Show All" for subcategories selected) is a "_DivInc" (and "_IntInc") line for each investment account and a separate one for the budgeted amount. Most of the time I just accept the downloaded transactions. When I first saw this problem, I entered some new, duplicate dividend transactions into several of the investment accounts. The new, duplicate entries appeared in the _DivInc and _IntInc lines for the investmant account along with the ones that were converted by Q2008P from my Q2007P data file. Conclusion - I won't be able to re-enter data to get around this problem.

I rarely use this feature on investment account transaction enteries. Almost all of my cash transactions in investment accounts are transfers (XIn and XOut). And even the ones that I have entered are not the problem in my Budget report.

I do use "Tags/Classes" extensively in my data file, but not with investment category transactions. None of the "_DivInc" or "_IntInc" transactions have tags and/or classes associated with them. The transactions that do have tags/classes associated with them are reported correctly in my budget report.

At your suggestion, I did. I did not have any problems with Budget reporting in the new data file using downloaded transactions from two of my investment accounts. Even the budgeted amount appeared on the same line. After this exercise, it definetly appears to be an issue with my data file and validating and super-validating it doesn't correct the problem, either before or after converting.

So, I went back and did a Year-End Copy for the fifteen years that are in my account(i.e one copy for year 1, one copy for year 1 and 2, etc.). Thought I would see if I could isolate any particular transactions that could be causing my problem. No luck. Still have separate "_DivInc", "_IntInc", and budgeted amount lines even for year one. Conclusion - my Budget Reporting problem is not transaction based. It's apparently a problem with Q2008P converting my Q2007P category list.

So, I did some more looking around my categories and associated reports. To my dismay, I find that I have tax category reporting problems in Q2008P also. Such as Q2008P not being able to distinguish between _IntInc and _IntIncTaxFree and _DivInc and _DivIncTaxFree in the Tax Schedule (for export to Turbo Tax) and Schedule-B Reports. Q2008P also doesn't recognize my IRA contribution for 2007 which was a ContribX transaction from a taxable investment account.

With tax season starting, this is going to be the straw that will break the camel's back. For the firest time in fifteen years, I will pass on upgrading to the new Quicken unless a quick fix can be found for my category reporting problems.

jluther3

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