18866 and protecting your data (or Who Wants Cold Calls?)

Don't think so.

Fully itemised billing, bang up to date, on the web site.

Well, as the total cost of my mobile use over the last 4 years has worked out to a bit over 1 a month, I really can't be bothered to try to get it any cheaper. I'm not "tied" to a landline, when I'm out and about I really don't want to call or be called on the mobile unless it is necessary, I've got an ansaphone on my landline for anything non urgent.

Except I doubt I can get broadband on it, and I'd be *massively* increasing the cost to everyone who phones me from a landline (which are probably 95% of my incoming calls).

I agree, and never expected there to be subsidised phones with free line rental - but I guess they expect to make lots of money from call charges and termination charges to cover the cost. I doubt they have from me :-)

Indeed :-)

Yes, I was being a bit flippant. My wife and I would probably both use Fresh PAYG if it were not for the incredibly good value (less than zero cost for this year) deal I got on a contract last December. Most of our mobile calls are short and to each other and not very frequent, so Fresh fits the bill.

If 18866 pulled a stunt like that do think your bills or even the website would still be there. So they put their call charges up 200 a minute. If you read their T&C's you will see that they are allowed to do it and as a customer you agreed they can.

Those that do know don't seem to be joining in this discussion.

Of course they can Colin but by the same token there is nothing on the website which says I or anyone else must use them ever again . Wombat .

Well, they could just log a 1hr call to their most expensive destination. Your word against theirs.

Oliver.

True - I'm not sure about the absolute specifics, but companies like 18866 work slightly differently. They buy minutes in bulk and I don't think that it is time dependent - some calls have different rates for say weekends (i.e. differences on a day basis), but not the hour of day and certainly the difference in cost for landline calls on such large volumes are such that there would be little difference in day or night rate. This might explain why mobile calls in the evening during the weekdays are the same as during the day - not sure. Maybe someone that works in this industry could enlighten us.

Nevertheless, no matter how they do it, I don't think they are committing financial suicide. They're not in a position where they are seeing their revenues falling in such a dramatic way that they are making one final desperate move before going bust.

AMO

Oh right, you've seen their financial reports.

Oliver.

You only need to use them once after they have changed the call rate on theire website, and they have complied with their T&C's and you have deemed to accepted the change. They don't announce the connection charge so they don't need to tell you the connection charge has just been increased to 200 do they? Wild conjecture on my part of course but credible. And would it be fraud? INAL but I think it is certainly arguable.

Definitely not: there are well-documented occasions on which the original card-holder has been pursued for a false debt on a credit card which had been cancelled (and/or reported lost) many months before. (In one case, IIRC, this was three YEARS after the card-holder had switched to a different credit card company.)

Whereas it is clear to everyone that you are a fuckwitted top-poster who hasn't the nous to trim any part of the quoted post.

If by 'credible' you mean 'theoretically possible', then yes. But in the strict meaning of the word, no. In fact, it's actually completely incredible. Even if you were a lawyer, you could argue what you wanted. Fortunately, only the opinion of the judge actually counts for anything, though.

Who would you take to court? An administrative office in Lugano?

Oliver.

I make almost all my calls from one of my mobile phones, if not out of inc mins, then using a CC like Tiscali on one of my Orange contracts.

Landline only gets used for dial up ISP and incoming calls.

What's the point of using Tiscali CC from the landline, when it costs the same from my ED50, and not be tied to a piece of copper.

Steve Terry

OK that suits you, but I like most others am more mobile, I do want to make calls when out.

Landline? I'm having trouble remembering what they were :-)

This post sent for virtually nothing on a 100% cashback T Mobile FT750 Sim

My off-peak calls on Orange ED50, peak Landline on ED50 with Tiscali CC, and my peak mobile calls on Singlepoints Xmas Voda LA100 deal.

Steve Terry

It's for them to show that the charges were correct, not for me to show that they were not.