Several Jobs PAYE Tax Problem Again

I see you do not defend HMRC or dispute what I have said. What is your point? You don't seem to have a point.

I am pointing out your fallacy of assuming that if one thing is wrong, everything is wrong. Also I notice that you seem to only repeat the same old problem again and again, I wonder why you keep having the same problem when others do not.

The problem with letters being sent late was an old one, most agents are now repotting it is working well, so why do you think they target you?

Often a case of "my tax has targeted reliefs which are economically efficient , your tax is full of loopholes, his tax has blatant bungs to [city/trade union/farming/etc] cronies" :)

So some would argue that "red diesel" is a loophole. Abuse of it certainly seems to be widespread (especially in N Ireland) - albeit less than in the past. Costs c.m300 a year. See eg

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Simon posted

That's not true. For example, the massive extra complexities of Child tax Credit and Pension Tax Credit were not introduced in order to close loopholes used by rich tax-dodgers. Nor were the differential rates of income tax on income from employment and income from savings. There are many other examples; for example, the old system of CGT tapering etc was idiotic.

*Some* of the extra complexities are a reaction to loophole-finding by accountants. But only because (i) governments are forever inventing new taxes aimed at particular groups ("stealth taxes") without thinking it through properly (ii) people in these groups perceive these new taxes as unfair and thus feel justified in dodging them and (iii) governments respond to this by constantly fiddling with the rules, instead of just accepting that a certain amount of avoidance is inevitable, especially of unfair taxes.

PeterSaxton posted

Wow. I didn't know that. Do you still have to *record* expenses in different categories, so that you can break them down if HMRC challenge you?

Two? You must be kidding. I have never come across an organisation so riddled with incompetence and arrogance. Perhaps the police.

There are many things wrong. I have just given two examples.

I don't know any agents reporting it is working well. Can you give any evidence of it working well?

Why can't HMRC get the £30k turnover problem right? It must be incompetence.

If your turnover is under £30k you don't have to report the details of expenses just the total. Obviously the proof of the expenditure needs to be available.

I know of many more examples. Meet Ferrit the apologist for HMRC. He doesn't seem to have any knowledge but he seems to love HMRC.

Nothing to do with HMRC, all to do with Government contacted out computer departments. Try blaming the real culprits Fujitsu. Anyway, everybody but you knows about the problem as it was clearly reported in the agents updates. Why is it you are constantly moaning about old problems?

It is a reported problem and has been in more than one agent update.

There is a world of difference between organising one?s tax efficiency and actively seeking and then exploiting weeknesses in the system.

Rubbish, Tax Havens are offered by Countries that are not in the control of any of the governments in this country. MP's expenses are clearly something that MP's can do something about but choose not to and continue to fill their pockets at the expense of the public, for shame.

Sorry but I cant take this seriously when you fail to understand that the employer is never presented with a unexpected NI bill. If they have, its because they have been less than honest with the records they keep for up to a year before presenting them to HMRC. They must have known just what was due as it arose and chose to use that money on something else. Thats not just irresponsible but is actually borderline criminal.

Quite easily, they seek out ways of using something like Red Deisel, until the vehicles fail or they get caught. Then its everybodies fault but their own.

They are still affecting agents.

So that makes it ok?

That is not a question of having a more complicated legal framework or of accountants looking for loopholes. I do accept that is how people save money. People would be less likely to use red diesel illegally if the penalties were more severe.

Nobody said that this is not, but unlike you, most agent deal with it easily and do not keep moaning about it.

In fact most agents prefer the new filing on line to the old paper version, but you could always keep with the paper copies and make your clients provide their records on time to you.....oh I forget they don't but that is never your fault.

No but most agent prefer the online to the paper and manage. It is only old women like you who have to keep moaning about it.

This shows how immature you are. HMRC can't get their systems to do very simple things properly but you can only insult the people who point out the incompetence. Let me guess ... you are employed by the state?

That's not a loophole. That's blatant tax evasion. You solve this by enforcing the existing regulations, not by creating new ones.