The Man from the Pru

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Up until about ten years ago, my somewhat well-heeled village in stockbroker belt Surrey was almost the personal fief of Keith, our man from the Pru. Keith lived in the village. An ebullient, hard-working, immensely likeable man who was a part of our lives. Car insurance due for renewal? Keith was there with the necessary documents. Same with just about every type of assurance/insurance imaginable: Keith was there to sort out the paperwork. All his many customers had to do was sign cheques and forms -- Keith did all the donkey work. If one phoned his home office and got an 'I'll get right back to you' message from his answer phone, you knew that Keith would be on the phone to you that day. Any other company trying to get a look-in on Keith's business was on a hiding to nothing. Keith had the village, several neighbouring villages and the outlying farms in his pocket. We all liked him, no one wanted to upset him, and his business kept rolling in.

Back in 1975, when I first became a free lance writer, it was Keith who persuaded me to take out a private pension policy, then another, and another, and to top them up from time to time with fat single premium payments. By the mid-1990s I was paying a crazy amount into the Pru's private pension schemes -- far more than I could afford -- but I didn't mind because, whenever I wavered, Keith was on hand with his mad projections and forecasts telling me about a prosperous old age I was in for.

It was quite a blow when he retired. He was an institution and his loss was keenly felt. Surprisingly the Pru didn't replace him. Maybe there had been rumblings about unfair trading from other companies. In any event his loss was keenly felt because villagers had to start doing things for themselves such as putting cheques in envelopes and taking them down to the post office.

The rot stated with the first envelope to arrive from the Pru telling me that my car insurance needed replacement. I never used to keep Keith waiting but a brown envelope is different.

(I'm a master at keeping brown envelopes waiting except those from HM Customs and Excise. Those lads could turn up at ungodly hours armed with enough powers to nail ones head to the floor)

I did what would've been unthinkable in Keith's day: I got a quote from Churchill car insurance, was suitable gobsmacked at the saving, and changed to them. It was the same when all the other Pru premiums came up for renewal. Building; contents; travel -- all were looked at and all got the heave-ho. A couple of endowments matured. Rather than shove the proceeds back into another Pru scheme, as I probably would've done in Keith's day, I took the money and ran.

My Pru pension funds were the last to go. I started getting valuations on the funds, discovered that they were markedly under-performing, encashed the lot and transferred the whole amount (less the Pru's swingeing and outrageous 'external transfer fee') into a SIPP: the best move I've ever made. Despite my annoyance with the Pru, I have to admit that if it hadn't been for Keith the overall sum would've been nothing like what it was.

Talking to other villagers, it now seems that wasn't alone in my actions and that the Pru's local business is a shadow of what it used to be in Keith's day. I often wonder who leaned on them to scrap their Man from the Pru and whether or not his presence amounted to unfair trading.

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JF
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In message , JF writes

'Keiths' have been largely killed off, same as everything else, paying for a man to visit you is rather more expensive than a website and an Indian to answer the phone. But, certainly the loss of this sort of person, particularly at the 'industrial branch' level I believe has had an effect on people's savings and insurance cover. After all without the man from the pru or the co-op or whoever going round door to door collecting half a crown from this house, 1 and 9 from the next, the low end of the economic spectrum wouldn't have had a little bit of savings stored up.

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me

X-No-Archive: yes In message , " snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net" writes

I take your point about the small collections and the lower end of the market, but our Keith was also racking in big bucks for his farm and grower insurance, to say nothing about his pension collections although mostly they were direct debits he set up. He didn't come around to collect my monthly pension premiums in cash.

On second thoughts, he did collect GBP10 pm from my wife for 20 years. IIR she got back about 2-1/2 times what she'd paid in when the endowment matured. One of the oddest endowments I used to have with the Pru were a series of five-year plans which I used to buy a replacement car every five years. I fell for Keith's sales pitch that one would always be shelling out for a car, so you might as well pay the money to yourself and be in position to shop around for cash deal at end of the period.

I don't think the Pru bother with five-year endowment policies now.

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JF

I imagine that they discovered that people had already started to shop around and that few of their reps (the townies) encouraged the loyalty that Keith did (from countryfolk). When I was a kid we had a local man (not from the Pru) who arranged our insurance. I recall one day that my dad told him he wasn't going to renew insurance because he had found a (much) cheaper quote from elsewhere. I'd have been about 15 so that was more than 30 years ago.

Of course not. They had no copyright on the method any one could have copied it (as some did).

Actually I can remember the Pru commenting when they did phase out their local agents how disproportionately expensive they had become

tim

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tim (moved to sweden)

X-No-Archive: yes In message , "tim (moved to sweden)" writes

Er... Copyright and unfair trading are different issues. I was merely wondering if the Pru had been under pressure to phase out their local reps.

Fair enough if it was a straightforward commercial decision.

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JF

In message , JF writes

Two reasons :

1) Their 'industrial branch' policies that were collected in cash weekly and recorded in a brown book became far toop expensive to administer. 2)The PIA (I think it was them at the time) told them off big style for not training Keith and his mates properly and for telling Keith that he had to flog bad products. I cant remember for sure but I think they got a whopping fine. The Pru then looked at what their guys in trilby's were selling and also they noticed that IFAs werent recommending them. They then realised that their products were crap and that they couldnt expect Keith to have to sell them. The cost of re-training and monitoring Keith made it uneconomic to keep him so the Pru scrapped him and all his mates.

I dont know what they did with all the unused trilby's though..

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john boyle

In message , JF writes

No, only business pressure, since on aggregate they reckoned they could make more money via different distribution.

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me

It was about this time that the products that the IFAs were not selling were withdrawn and replaced with more IFA-friendly products, i.e., whopping front-end commissions and higher trail commissions.

The previous products were much better for the client, with no front-end loading and reasonable spreads.

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Terry Harper

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