- posted
15 years ago
This is a scary one
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
7% is only a bit more than is usual - but according to article their pensions are "unusually lucrative".
Or have I missed something?
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Nope,
but I think he was referring to the implications of why they are doing it.
Personally, I don't see any problems for the UK should this bring down the Euro!
tim
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
That it's 7% on top of what they were previously contributing. I.E a 7% pay cut?
FoFP
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
They were not contributing anything.
That would indeed be the case if it was a pay cut but it is not, it is a contribution to a pension scheme - which means they will see a return.
And presumably they are exempt from the contribution if they decide to exempt themselves from the pension scheme.
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
A pension which they were entitled to before the were asked to contribute.
Apparently they might not.
No, it's compulsory. It's a pay cut in all but name. But given that the country is (apparently) up **** street, a pay cut that they are going to have to accept.
tim
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
But that's no different to what loads of private sector pension schemes have done - ie up the employee conts or cut the benefits.
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Well it's not much different to the UK govt putting up NI - except that that affects every employee not just public sector.
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
In Ireland that is almost every worker :-(
tim
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Right, and seven minus zero equals what?
Any economist will tell you that it's the total deal that people look at, booth employer and employee. So a lower salary plus an non-contributory pension is much the same as a higher salary where you punt the difference into a pension fund.
Indeed at our University we recently moved to a non-contributory pensions scheme and cut the salaries by the exact amount of contribution. This saved NI contributions for both staff and employees.
By your analysis, we'd now be non-contributory employees and if they demanded the 7% already cut as another cut, then that wouldn't be a pay cut. Then presumably they could do it again and again until all our salaries wre done, without us ever having had a pay cut.
They were already seeing that return.
I wonder...
FoFP
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Almost all were indeed contributing, urban legend notwithstanding.
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Looks like you have more knowledge than most. Would you care to enlighten us?
FoFP
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Yup - 350,000 out of a population of (IIRC) 3 million (which includes children, unemployed, pensioners, housewives etc) does seem an incredibly large public sector, probably close to 20% of employees!
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
That's the same as the UK average (20%).
- Vote on answer
- posted
15 years ago
Is that not what I just did ?