POS For New Store - RMS or POS? Compatible Hardware?


I have been tasked to set up a New General/Retail/Grocery type store with about 5 lanes, and 1 Mobile Flower/Plants Lane. I have looked at other options while looking at Microsoft RMS 2.0 and POS 2009. Here are the few questions that I have, and was wondering if an expert here can help me with them.
1. The store will have General Items (with Barcode Labels), Produce (with No Barcode Labels), Meat and Fish (w/ or w/out Barcode Labels) and Plants (Barcode Labels). Some of these items will have weight as well, and some of these items will use price embedded in Barcodes (Meat etc). Which option will serve me best in this scenario and let me do all that needs to be done without any issues, Microsoft RMS 2.0 or POS 2009?
2. Which ever solution is suggested, which is the best compatible hardware for it to use in the scenario above. Please also note that the owners want to use the combo SCALE/SCANNER units, the big ones like Magelan or Datalogic, will they work as well, if yes, how do I find out which are the compatible models.
3. Instead of using Pole Display, can a second Monitor/Screen be attached facing the customer, and if it will just show the items being ringed up, plus related advertisments on one side of the screen. Is this even possible with either Microsoft RMS or POS 2009?
4. Since this is a Brand New implementation, which would be the best Software solution to use, which does not run into upgradation, end of life kind of issues in the next 5 years. Which version of Windows Operating System to use, Which version and flavor of Microsoft SQL to use which does not run into any kind of space issues.
5. Is it possible to archive say previous years data to a back office or a different kind of system or even a dummy or duplicate system to offload unnecessary data from the servers.
6. Any/All other issues that I might need to keep in mind once I start on this project if I were to use either Microsoft RMS 2.0 or POS 2009. I am sure I could use expert help from people here who have implemented already and ran into issues.
Thanks a lot.
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ALSO, ONE OTHER IMPORTANT THIS I FORGOT TO ASK...
7. If using Microsoft RMS 2.0, DO I NEED to use HeadQuarters? Its just a single store with 6 lanes total. WOULD JUST the Store Operations (Lanes) part do?
8. Where does the DATABASE / DATA reside? WHICH WILL BE THE SERVER COMPUTER? I dont want the SERVER computer to be used/touched at all.
> I have been tasked to set up a New General/Retail/Grocery type store with > about 5 lanes, and 1 Mobile Flower/Plants Lane. I have looked at other > options while looking at Microsoft RMS 2.0 and POS 2009. Here are the few > questions that I have, and was wondering if an expert here can help me with > them. > > 1. The store will have General Items (with Barcode Labels), Produce (with No > Barcode Labels), Meat and Fish (w/ or w/out Barcode Labels) and Plants > (Barcode Labels). Some of these items will have weight as well, and some of > these items will use price embedded in Barcodes (Meat etc). Which option will > serve me best in this scenario and let me do all that needs to be done > without any issues, Microsoft RMS 2.0 or POS 2009? > > 2. Which ever solution is suggested, which is the best compatible hardware > for it to use in the scenario above. Please also note that the owners want to > use the combo SCALE/SCANNER units, the big ones like Magelan or Datalogic, > will they work as well, if yes, how do I find out which are the compatible > models. > > 3. Instead of using Pole Display, can a second Monitor/Screen be attached > facing the customer, and if it will just show the items being ringed up, plus > related advertisments on one side of the screen. Is this even possible with > either Microsoft RMS or POS 2009? > > 4. Since this is a Brand New implementation, which would be the best > Software solution to use, which does not run into upgradation, end of life > kind of issues in the next 5 years. Which version of Windows Operating System > to use, Which version and flavor of Microsoft SQL to use which does not run > into any kind of space issues. > > 5. Is it possible to archive say previous years data to a back office or a > different kind of system or even a dummy or duplicate system to offload > unnecessary data from the servers. > > 6. Any/All other issues that I might need to keep in mind once I start on > this project if I were to use either Microsoft RMS 2.0 or POS 2009. I am sure > I could use expert help from people here who have implemented already and ran > into issues. > > Thanks a lot.
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Hi Nas,
1. Both have the capabilities to handle each of your different item = types. POS 2009 has a slight edge when it comes to Price Embedded = barcodes as you can customize different types and assign them to = different items. We have setup 2 grocery/health food stores using POS = 2009 and they are very please with the product.
2. There are many that will work. Metrologic makes a great product that = works real well for grocery in-counter scanner scale combo MS2400.
3. Yes both can handle a second Monitor/Screen that would be customer = facing and show the items rung up, advertisements or special events. RMS = has the solution built in (called Net Display). POS 2009 would require = someone building that solution for you, there is a sample application = provided to Partners in the SDK already that could be built upon or used = as a template to suit your needs.
4. Microsoft's Lifecycle Support policy provides mainstream support for = all releases for 5 years from initial release. RMS 2.0 although officially will be discontinued on July 10, 2012 will = have extended support till July 11, 2017.=20 This site describes both the mainstream support and extended support. Microsoft Support Lifecycle
POS 2009 was just released on August 2009. So one would hope that = Microsoft is behind the product and will continue improving. No end of = life documented as of yet but as I stated mainstream support is 5 years = from initial release date.
The server I would go with WinServer 2K8 and the workstations and POS = machines either XP Pro SP3, Vista Business or higher or Win7 all are = support OS's
5. Yes that is all possible but with proper hardware requirements none = of that should be needed. With 6 tills and I would guess probably 10 or = so back office computers you will need a full SQL Server with decent = hardware specs.
6. The pros and cons. RMS=20 Pros: Very stable system been around for over a decade. Good install base with many season users. For an out of the box solution is very feature rich. Having said that the product can and has already been extended well = beyond it's original programming from third party addon solutions. Multi Store capable with RMS HQ. Which is supported by Microsoft There is a Feature Pack that is scheduled to be released some time in = the second half of FY2010, so Microsoft would have us believe.
Cons: Been around for over a decade. Built on old tech. Buying in cases and selling in units very clunky (But...there's an App = for that) Printing Labels on price changes again not the best (But...there's an = App for that) HQ not necessarily the most user friendly solution. Design is out dated.
POS 2009 Pros: Just released and they have already released SP1 fixing (if I remember = correctly) 68 bugs. But there are still bugs being discovered on a very = regular basis. Very nice look and feel, very well suited for touchscreens. Units/Cases purchasing is much improved. Well documented SDK
Cons: Lots of good and solid features did not make it over from RMS. Just not = as feature rich as RMS out of the box.=20 No multi store solution by Microsoft (But...there's an App for that) = [Actually it is a software as a service solution by a third party = company] Because it is so new not many third party solutions released.
7. No you will not need HQ until you grow to having 2 or more stores.
8.The data resides on the server. The physical location depends on the = site but yes you can have it stored away in a bomb proof shelter deep = below the earth.
Robert Armstrong RMS Systems Inc.
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Hi Nas,   1. Both have the capabilities to handle = each of=20 your different item types. POS 2009 has a slight edge when it comes to = Price=20 Embedded barcodes as you can customize different types and assign them = to=20 different items. We have setup 2 grocery/health food stores using POS = 2009 and=20 they are very please with the product.   2.  There are many that will work. =
Metrologic makes a great product that = works real=20 well for grocery in-counter scanner scale = combo MS2400.   3. Yes both can handle a second = Monitor/Screen that=20 would be customer facing and show the items rung up, advertisements or = special=20 events. RMS has the solution built in (called Net Display). POS 2009 = would=20 require someone building that solution for you, there is a sample = application=20 provided to Partners in the SDK already that could be built upon or used = as a=20 template to suit your needs.   4. Microsoft's Lifecycle Support policy = provides=20 mainstream support for all releases for 5 years from initial=20 release. RMS 2.0 although officially will be = discontinued on=20 July 10, 2012 will have extended support till July 11, 2017. =
This site describes both the mainstream = support and=20 extended support. Microsoft=20 Support Lifecycle   POS 2009 was just released on August = 2009. So one=20 would hope that Microsoft is behind the product and will continue = improving. No=20 end of life documented as of yet but as I stated mainstream support is 5 = years=20 from initial release date.   The server I would go = with WinServer=20 2K8 and the workstations and POS machines either XP Pro SP3, Vista = Business or=20 higher or Win7 all are support OS's   5. Yes that is all possible but with = proper=20 hardware requirements none of that should be needed. With 6 tills = and I=20 would guess probably 10 or so back office computers you will need a full = SQL=20 Server with decent hardware specs.   6. The pros and cons. RMS Pros: Very stable system been around for over = a=20 decade. Good install base with many season=20 users. For an out of the box solution is very = feature=20 rich. Having said that the product can and = has already=20 been extended well beyond it's original programming from third party = addon=20 solutions. Multi Store capable with RMS HQ. Which = is supported=20 by Microsoft There is a Feature Pack that is = scheduled to be=20 released some time in the second half of FY2010, so Microsoft would have = us=20 believe.   Cons: Been around for over a decade. Built on = old=20 tech. Buying in cases and selling in units = very clunky=20 (But...there's an App for that) Printing Labels on price changes again = not the best=20 (But...there's an App for that) HQ not necessarily the most user = friendly=20 solution. Design is out dated.   POS 2009 Pros: Just released and they have already = released SP1=20 fixing (if I remember correctly) 68 bugs. But there are still bugs being =
discovered on a very regular basis. Very nice look and feel, very well = suited for=20 touchscreens. Units/Cases purchasing is much=20 improved. Well documented SDK   Cons: Lots of good and solid features did not = make it=20 over from RMS. Just not as feature rich as RMS out of the=20 box.  No multi store solution by Microsoft = (But...there's=20 an App for that) [Actually it is a software as a service solution by a = third=20 party company] Because it is so new not many = third party=20 solutions released.   7. No you will not need HQ until you = grow to having=20 2 or more stores.   8.The data resides on the server. The = physical=20 location depends on the site but yes you can have it stored away in a = bomb proof=20 shelter deep below the earth.   Robert Armstrong RMS Systems Inc.
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;gt;=20 have been tasked=20 to set up a New General/Retail/Grocery type store with > about 5 = lanes,=20 and 1 Mobile Flower/Plants Lane. I have looked at other > options = while=20 looking at Microsoft RMS 2.0 and POS 2009. Here are the few > = questions=20 that I have, and was wondering if an expert here can help me with = >=20 them.> > 1. The store will have General Items (with = Barcode=20 Labels), Produce (with No > Barcode Labels), Meat and Fish (w/ or = w/out=20 Barcode Labels) and Plants > (Barcode Labels). Some of these = items will=20 have weight as well, and some of > these items will use price = embedded in=20 Barcodes (Meat etc). Which option will > serve me best in this = scenario=20 and let me do all that needs to be done > without any issues, = Microsoft=20 RMS 2.0 or POS 2009?> > 2. Which ever solution is = suggested, which=20 is the best compatible hardware > for it to use in the scenario = above.=20 Please also note that the owners want to > use the combo = SCALE/SCANNER=20 units, the big ones like Magelan or Datalogic, > will they work = as well,=20 if yes, how do I find out which are the compatible > = models.>=20 > 3. Instead of using Pole Display, can a second Monitor/Screen = be=20 attached > facing the customer, and if it will just show the = items being=20 ringed up, plus > related advertisments on one side of the = screen. Is=20 this even possible with > either Microsoft RMS or POS = 2009?>=20 > 4. Since this is a Brand New implementation, which would be the = best=20 > Software solution to use, which does not run into upgradation, = end of=20 life > kind of issues in the next 5 years. Which version of = Windows=20 Operating System > to use, Which version and flavor of Microsoft = SQL to=20 use which does not run > into any kind of space issues. > = >=20 5. Is it possible to archive say previous years data to a back office or = a=20 > different kind of system or even a dummy or duplicate system to = offload=20 > unnecessary data from the servers.> > 6. Any/All = other=20 issues that I might need to keep in mind once I start on > this = project=20 if I were to use either Microsoft RMS 2.0 or POS 2009. I am sure = > I=20 could use expert help from people here who have implemented already and = ran=20 > into issues.> > Thanks a = lot.
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Both RMS and POS2009 are not grocery systems, they are systems designed for retail. Although they can be used in a grocery store they both lack specific grocery features. I would not install any of these software packages in a grocery store with more than 2 lanes.
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Hi Rob,
Could you please expand on how the case/unit purchasing has been improved and how it differers from the RMS implementation of it? If I have a case of drinks, but I also need to sell individual drinks, how is this handled?
Also, you said there is an app that enables multi-store in POS 2009? Where is this app?
Thanks!
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Hi Rob,
Could you please expand on how the case/unit purchasing has been improved and how it differers from the RMS implementation of it? If I have a case of drinks, but I also need to sell individual drinks, how is this handled?
Also, you said there is an app that enables multi-store in POS 2009? Where is this app?
Thanks!
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Hi Josh,
Sent you an email this afternoon.
Robert Armstrong RMS Systems Inc.
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;gt;=20 2009>> Pros:>> Just released and they have already = released=20 SP1 fixing (if I remember>> correctly) 68 bugs. But there are = still=20 bugs being discovered on a very>> regular basis.>> = Very nice=20 look and feel, very well suited for touchscreens.>> = Units/Cases=20 purchasing is much improved.>> Well documented SDK>> =
> > Hi Rob,> > Could you please expand on = how the=20 case/unit purchasing has been improved > and how it differers = from the=20 RMS implementation of it?  If I have a case of > drinks, but = I also=20 need to sell individual drinks, how is this handled?> > = Also, you=20 said there is an app that enables multi-store in POS 2009?  Where = >=20 is this app?> > Thanks!
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