Just upgraded from Q09 to Q12. No issues - no complaints.
One question concerning the backup - my On Demand (Manual Backup Reminder in Edit/Preferences) backup - not Q's automatic backups. I have my reminder set to every time but the question should still apply.
I Exit and Q asks if I want to Backup now? I say Yes and Q ask To Where? I accept prior path/file and say Okay. Q announces path/file exists and ask if it's okay and I say Yes. I'm leaving the Don't Show unchecked temporarily (maybe longer) here as an indirect way of noticing (I hope) an unexpected new bkp file. Q comes back and says Backup was okay and I say Good and have so far left that Don't Show unchecked.
Now the question...
Has anyone experienced or does anyone know what Q does (will do) if Don't Show is checked and the bkp is not successful? Thanks for you insight. Geo. S. Long Valley, NJ
There are 2 different popup windows with the Don't Show again option.
The 1st popup window is the manual backup reminder window, which gives you the option to Backup, Exit (w/o backup) or Cancel.
If you check this Don't show again box Quicken simply disables manual backup reminders, i.e. no backups will be done on subsequent exits from Quicken. You can turn the feature on again by re-checking the Manual Backup Reminder option in Edit -> Preferences. This popup window will then reappear.
This Don't Show again option should probably either (1) be retitled "Disable Manual Backup Reminders" or (2) be reimplemented so that backup reminders are NOT disabled and on exit you go directly to the Quicken Backup window. Perhaps one of these changes has been made for Q12.
The 2nd popup window confirms that the backup was successful.
If you check this Don't Show box you will never again get the confirmation message (unless you revert to a Quicken DB backup in which the message was still shown).
Quicken will still diagnose at least two cases in which the backup is unsuccessful, namely if you specify an unassigned drive letter or a non-existent folder. In the latter case you are given the option of creating the folder. There are almost certainly cases where the backup fails and you get no diagnostic, e.g. system crash, power failure, I/O hang trying to write to a bad block on a drive.
I personally don't check the 2nd box, even though I find the confirmation message annoying, because I know the action to be irrevocable.
If you want to see what happens for yourself, simply make a copy of your Quicken DB (or create a small test DB), check the box(es) in the copy, and experiment to your heart's content. Your real DB won't be affected.
Anyone else have any corrections, opinions or further insights on this issue?
There's a new Quicken Preference (first available in Q2011) that allows you to restore those warning/confirmation messages that you told Quicken you didn't want to see anymore.
[Note that it basically says it will reset all warnings to their default. I have not tested that (though I did test the "backup successful" confirmation, and it is reset), but it will very likely mean that you could have to tell Quicken to stop displaying some messages ... again.]
I was not concerned about getting the "backup okay" prompt back but, rather, wondering what Q12's behavior was if the backup failed while the prompt was suppressed in Preferences.
My inclination is to leave the "file exists" prompt active for awhile as a reminder of what I expect and, by absence, an alert to something [that may be] different. The ending "okay" prompt would be an annoyance, however, if an unsuccessful backup is announced. Geo.
I was not concerned about getting the "backup okay" prompt back but, rather, wondering what Q12's behavior was if the backup failed while the prompt was suppressed in Preferences.
My primary reason for pointing out the new option was its overall value, that others may not have known.
But in your particular case, it means that you can test for yourself to find out what happens if you turn off the "backup successful" message (and the backup is not successful) ... because, once you've finished testing, you can turn notification back on again.
I was pretty sure he was talking about the following prompt (from his initial post):
"Q announces path/file exists and ask if it's okay and I say Yes."
That must be new for Q12, isn't it John? I know I've never seen it.
However, I was not and still am not clear on which Don't show box he's talking about, perhaps because it's in a new-for-Q12 window.
That's why I waited 5 days in hopes that someone with Q12 would respond, and why I also told him how to test it for himself.
For my purposes I'd find the above prompt quite annoying. I always store all my backups in a folder called Q11BACKUPS and the only thing I change is the path to that folder name. I use the long-existent prompt that the folder
*doesn't* exist to alert me to an unexpected situation. That's *my* way, but I don't claim it meets others' needs.
Quicken (any version!) should tell you any time a backup fails. No messages or prompts that you enable or suppress should have any effect whatsoever on whether or not or when or how Quicken diagnoses a backup failure.
Regardless of whether or not you suppress the "file exists" and/or "backup okay" messages, I think you can be reasonably certain that your backup has succeeded unless Quicken tells you it has failed.
Only if your Q application fails to respond within a reasonable time after you initiate a backup, should you strongly suspect that something is hung and that the backup was unsuccessful.
The above notwithstanding, nothing beats a positive "backup okay" message and nothing else replaces it.
I was pretty sure he was talking about the following prompt (from his initial post):
"Q announces path/file exists and ask if it's okay and I say Yes."
That must be new for Q12, isn't it John? I know I've never seen it.
However, I was not and still am not clear on which Don't show box he's talking about, perhaps because it's in a new-for-Q12 window.
That's why I waited 5 days in hopes that someone with Q12 would respond, and why I also told him how to test it for himself.
For my purposes I'd find the above prompt quite annoying. I always store all my backups in a folder called Q11BACKUPS and the only thing I change is the path to that folder name. I use the long-existent prompt that the folder
*doesn't* exist to alert me to an unexpected situation. That's *my* way, but I don't claim it meets others' needs.
Jerry
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A test to a nearly full USB stick demonstrated that Q'll complain if it's not "successful". In fact, in that scenario, it didn't even start - said there wasn't enough room right away. I didn't bother trying to simulate anything more sophisticated. With that I'll accept that if a backup fails for a detectable reason Q'll let me know so have checked the "Don't Show" on a Successful Backup.
I can't be certain at this point but I think the "backup already exists" prompting has more or less always been there - at least somewhere in my
6?/99/03/06/09/12 path and not just starting with 12. Not 100% certain but it seems likely because _I think_ I can recall turning it off somewhere along the line and always viewed the "it worked" panel that had to be approved as an unnecessary interrupt (assuming it was okay that is.)
With the usual YMMV disclaimer my setup is backup every time I exit Q and Q prompts for "where" presenting the last backup which I accept and I have Don't Show same and Don't Show success checked. That accelerates my involvement and doesn't leave Q hanging if I turn my back for awhile. Geo.
You're right. When I used the Reset Quicken Warnings feature that John mentioned, the "backup already exists" message started appearing.
So that means at least 3 different Don't show again boxes are involved in Q11 manual backup: the "want to backup now?" window, the "overwrite existing file?" window, and the "backup successful" window. [Plus the "Quicken Backup" window, which doesn't have a Don't show again box]
From your description they may have eliminated the somewhat useless first window for Q12 and taken you directly to the Quicken Backup window when you exit - that's how I would do it.
I agree that you can probably safely suppress the "overwrite file?" and "backup successful" prompts/messages. Just check the date and size of the backup file occasionally to make sure all is well.
[snip snip snip] I agree that you can probably safely suppress the "overwrite file?" and "backup successful" prompts/messages. Just check the date and size of the backup file occasionally to make sure all is well.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed. I may also do a restore function randomly - but then only if I'm bored and someone else is out getting the beer. G.
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