OT: Citi Cards Refuses to Remove Fees Charged in Error

I thought the following might be of interest to those who make heavy use of Citi credit cards....

Be warned....

Margaret

*********************************************************************** Citi Cards charged me a late fee when my scheduled payment posted one day prior to the due date (according to my Citi statement). Upon checking with my bank, I learned Citi Cards made no attempt to pull the funds as scheduled. (If they had, my Fidelity account's history would show either a debit or a "rejected - insufficient funds" notation. Fidelity has no record of either.)

The real problem is getting the erroneous fee removed. Citi Cards requires a letter from my bank stating they have no record of any attempt by Citi Cards to withdraw funds. The problem gets stickier, because my bank account is a Fidelity SmartCash account. Fidelity uses various "member banks" to hold and process funds, in my case, XXXXX bank. Citi Cards requires this letter to be written on XXXXX Bank's letterhead. As I am not a customer of XXXXX Bank (Fidelity is), I can obtain no such letter from XXXXX Bank. Now Fidelity is willing to write such a letter (also explaining their financial relationship with XXXXX), but this does not satisfy Citi Cards' requirement!

Supervisor Kim at Citi Cards tells me they only apply a returned check fee if a debit attempt is made and rejected. Even though their own transaction history shows no transaction was rejected, Citi Cards still requires this impossible-to-obtain letter from XXXXX stating as such! My account is with Fidelity, my service relationship and account history is with Fidelity, yet because my account has an XXXXX routing transit number, a letter from Fidelity is insufficient to have this $39 returned check fee removed.

I have had accounts with Citi Cards spanning 30 years. I have an excellent credit history and always pay my balance in full each month. Further, I charge everything I possibly can, as it usually makes monthly bill paying simpler, and I like the rewards. Even though I currently have two very active accounts with Citi Cards (and Citi knows I will close both if they don't removed the fee), Citi Cards insists on this letter from XXXXX. Citi claims that because the fee was charged, there must have been a rejection ... even though their transaction history shows none!

Citi's Kim has agreed to have her manager, Mr. Troy, call me within 24 hours. Fidelity has been most helpful offering to do a conference call with Citi Cards if they will accept this as proof they failed to attempt the scheduled debit on 5/19. But if Mr. Troy fails to call or still insists on a letter from XXXXX, my only recourse is to either pay Citi Cards the $39 or close my accounts, pay my balances (save the $39) and allow my excellent credit history to be blemished.

IMNSHO, Citi Cards is simply attempting to hang onto fees by requiring card holders jump through expensive and exhausting hoops to have them removed (even when those charges result from errors by their own institution). In my last phone call I learned from Fidelity that Citi Cards is *just now* attempting to debit my account for the payment I scheduled for 5/19. Interesting, eh? ;-)

Citi's supervisor Kim tells me they have a department dedicated to processing fee-removal request letters from banks. Even if they didn't have a dedicated department, the cost of banks having to write letters and Citi's having to process them costs well over $39 even if we discount time spent by the card holder. I've been on the phone with Citi and Fidelity most of this morning, and I still have an uphill battle to fight. Certainly fighting this battle is not really worth my time, but it's the principle that concerns me. I can still pay my mortgage and my grocery bill even if I pay the $39. But what about people deeply affected by our devastated economy? That $39 could make the difference between eating or not. I thought this new credit card legislation was supposed to protect consumers. Clearly Citi Cards has figured out a new way to bleed its card holders.

Some specifics:

My Citi payment was due on 5/20, and I scheduled a payment for the full balance for 5/19. (I scheduled the payment on 4/24 when I received my online statement and recorded the confirmation number.) I follow this same process each month, and until now Citi has been pulling my payment without incident. On the day in question (5/19), I had plenty of available cash in my SmartCash account to cover debits, more than enough to cover Citi's .

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Margaret
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Margaret: I have a mySmart Cash Account also, but I do all of my checking through Alliant Credit Union. I earn 1.5% on my checking account cash instead of the 0.1% at Fidelity. Bob

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Bob Wang

So what do you use the SmartCash account for? Still, this isn't Fidelity's fault, it's Citi's....

And I'm steamed enough that I started a blog....

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Margaret

From: "Margaret"

| I thought the following might be of interest to those who make heavy use | of Citi credit cards....

| Be warned....

| Margaret

| *********************************************************************** | Citi Cards charged me a late fee when my scheduled payment posted one | day prior to the due date (according to my Citi statement). Upon | checking with my bank, I learned Citi Cards made no attempt to pull the | funds as scheduled. (If they had, my Fidelity account's history would | show either a debit or a "rejected - insufficient funds" notation. | Fidelity has no record of either.)

| The real problem is getting the erroneous fee removed. Citi Cards | requires a letter from my bank stating they have no record of any | attempt by Citi Cards to withdraw funds. The problem gets stickier, | because my bank account is a Fidelity SmartCash account. Fidelity uses | various "member banks" to hold and process funds, in my case, XXXXX | bank. Citi Cards requires this letter to be written on XXXXX Bank's | letterhead. As I am not a customer of XXXXX Bank (Fidelity is), I can | obtain no such letter from XXXXX Bank. Now Fidelity is willing to write | such a letter (also explaining their financial relationship with XXXXX), | but this does not satisfy Citi Cards' requirement!

| Supervisor Kim at Citi Cards tells me they only apply a returned check | fee if a debit attempt is made and rejected. Even though their own | transaction history shows no transaction was rejected, Citi Cards still | requires this impossible-to-obtain letter from XXXXX stating as such! My | account is with Fidelity, my service relationship and account history is | with Fidelity, yet because my account has an XXXXX routing transit | number, a letter from Fidelity is insufficient to have this $39 returned | check fee removed.

| I have had accounts with Citi Cards spanning 30 years. I have an | excellent credit history and always pay my balance in full each month. | Further, I charge everything I possibly can, as it usually makes monthly | bill paying simpler, and I like the rewards. Even though I currently | have two very active accounts with Citi Cards (and Citi knows I will | close both if they don't removed the fee), Citi Cards insists on this | letter from XXXXX. Citi claims that because the fee was charged, there | must have been a rejection ... even though their transaction history | shows none!

| Citi's Kim has agreed to have her manager, Mr. Troy, call me within 24 | hours. Fidelity has been most helpful offering to do a conference call | with Citi Cards if they will accept this as proof they failed to attempt | the scheduled debit on 5/19. But if Mr. Troy fails to call or still | insists on a letter from XXXXX, my only recourse is to either pay Citi | Cards the $39 or close my accounts, pay my balances (save the $39) and | allow my excellent credit history to be blemished.

| IMNSHO, Citi Cards is simply attempting to hang onto fees by requiring | card holders jump through expensive and exhausting hoops to have them | removed (even when those charges result from errors by their own | institution). In my last phone call I learned from Fidelity that Citi | Cards is *just now* attempting to debit my account for the payment I | scheduled for 5/19. Interesting, eh? ;-)

| Citi's supervisor Kim tells me they have a department dedicated to | processing fee-removal request letters from banks. Even if they didn't | have a dedicated department, the cost of banks having to write letters | and Citi's having to process them costs well over $39 even if we | discount time spent by the card holder. I've been on the phone with | Citi and Fidelity most of this morning, and I still have an uphill | battle to fight. Certainly fighting this battle is not really worth my | time, but it's the principle that concerns me. I can still pay my | mortgage and my grocery bill even if I pay the $39. But what about | people deeply affected by our devastated economy? That $39 could make | the difference between eating or not. I thought this new credit card | legislation was supposed to protect consumers. Clearly Citi Cards has | figured out a new way to bleed its card holders.

| Some specifics:

| My Citi payment was due on 5/20, and I scheduled a payment for the full | balance for 5/19. (I scheduled the payment on 4/24 when I received my | online statement and recorded the confirmation number.) I follow this | same process each month, and until now Citi has been pulling my payment | without incident. On the day in question (5/19), I had plenty of | available cash in my SmartCash account to cover debits, more than enough | to cover Citi's .

Write a snail mail letter and close the account and explain WHY you are closing the account based upon the above.

Reply to
David H. Lipman

Margaret: I don't use the mySmart Cash Account at all. I guess I could have my Fidelity AmEx rebate deposited into it, but right now it's going into my Fidelity Core account. There WAS a reason I opened it last year, but I can't really remember why. Bob

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Bob Wang

A couple years ago it paid quite a bit more than the current 0.1%. Now it's not really worth much, and perhaps more trouble than it's worth!!

Margaret

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Margaret

Good idea, except I'm not sure where to write to. The only address I can find that doesn't simply accept payments is a "general correspondence" address. I can't imagine sending a letter to that address would make much difference. :-(

An update: I called Citibank yet again and complained until I got a senior account manager. She called Fidelity while I was on the line and was able to confirm there was no transaction attempt recorded on the date in question. She credited the $39 fee, but I'm worn out.

I just got a letter from Citibank the other day further reducing my cash rewards. There's no longer much point in keeping my Citibank accounts AFAIC.

Regards,

Margaret

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Margaret

| Good idea, except I'm not sure where to write to. The only address I | can find that doesn't simply accept payments is a "general | correspondence" address. I can't imagine sending a letter to that | address would make much difference. :-(

| An update: I called Citibank yet again and complained until I got a | senior account manager. She called Fidelity while I was on the line and | was able to confirm there was no transaction attempt recorded on the | date in question. She credited the $39 fee, but I'm worn out.

| I just got a letter from Citibank the other day further reducing my cash | rewards. There's no longer much point in keeping my Citibank accounts | AFAIC.

Give them hell. Put in in writing with your hand written signature. Let them know your displeasure in the snail mail.

If you don't have the postal address, call them back up and have them provide you the address that you should send the letter to.

Good luck!

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David H. Lipman

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Sam Spade

Yeah, Fidelity's the same way. I may start having Fidelity push payments rather than having creditors pull funds. Fidelity's customer service is good, so if there's a problem, it should be fairly easily remedied.

Reply to
Margaret

As you discovered, allowing a creditor to pull money from your account is generally a bad idea for multiple reasons. Far better to schedule push pays using your bank's bill payment system, even if it means you have to schedule the transaction yourself (as when the amount varies from month to month).

Reply to
Robert Neville

That wasn't the problem. The problem was that the OP told Citi to pull funds from his Fidelity account and Citi didn't do it. Not sure why you would even bring Fidelity (or Fidelity's correspondent bank) into it. Citi should have a record of the autorization to withdraw as well as the evidence they didn't do it.

Reply to
Robert Neville

B.S.! I've been using creditor pulls for over TWENTY YEARS. Not ONE single problem. NADA.

Reply to
Sharx35

And I've never been struck by lightning, but that doesn't mean I will go play golf in a thunderstorm. You have to separate the probability of occurance from the amount of damage if a problem does occur.

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Robert Neville

No doubt you ALWAYS wait TWO hours after ANY eating before swimming, too. PUSSY!!!!!

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Sharx35

FWIW, I have a fairly small automatic transaction in the middle of my payment month to Citi for at more than the minimum due that I expect I'd ever owe just in case my 'real' push via Checkfree does not go through correctly...just to cover this type of situation. It's the only one I do this for since they're my main card holder. (Use them because Hilton is what they've branded with, and I use the Hilton Rewards program.)

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Andrew

"Andrew" wrote in news:4bfc71db$0$5010$ snipped-for-privacy@cv.net:

I'd be as pissed a Citi as Margaret is. And I have been several times on the verge of pulling all my accounts from Citi. However, I have authorized Citi to pull money from my Cesah account to pay the balance of my MC in full each month, and I have never had a problem with that and will not accept any funny business at any time.

I have had several instances of Citi taking measures to protect my credit card and me, and have only commendations for that service.

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Han

Not a bad idea, thanks!

Margaret

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Margaret

I had to bring Fidelity into it because Citi initially required written proof of no debit attempt from my bank, hence Fidelity. Citi did indeed have the evidence you mention, which is why the whole thing was even more ridiculous. In the end Citi still required a conference call with Fidelity, so bringing Fidelity in was a necessity, not a choice.

And I'm not a him. Did you even *read* my post?

Margaret

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Margaret

Yes, I've had accounts with Citi off and on for ~25 years. I've pulled my accounts from Citi before when I had reason to be pissed at them, but I eventually went back as they increased their rewards programs. They have indeed saved my cards from being compromised on more than one occasion, too. But now I'm really pissed I had to jump through absurd hoops to get the charge removed.

I may just stick Citi's cards in a drawer and use my Chase & Discover cards until I get over being pissed. ;-) BTW, Discover is running a $250 cash back bonus from 6/1 through 10/31. As long as you charge $1500+ for each of those five months, you pocket the piddly regular bonus plus $250. I don't know if I can do it, as I've already bought my "toys" for the year. ;-)

Regards,

Margaret

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Margaret

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