The Seven Deadly Newsgroup Sins

The Seven Deadly Newsgroups Sins! (Moderated Newsgroup Version)

  1. Arguing with anyone on the Moderation Team.

  1. Engaging in ad homonym attacks - especially those based on irrelevant characteristics, such as color of eyes, color of skin, gender, sexual orientation, sports team affiliation, or political persuasion.

  2. Submitting Commercial and/or Political advertising.

  1. Promoting illegal activities, such as fraud against a government agency.

Any one of the first four sins will generally result in your e-mail address being added to the Moderator's "Burn Before Read" list.

  1. Using language inconsistent with being both sober and a professional.

  1. Pontificating (writing way more than was needed)

  2. Top posting.

This list is incomplete and may be revised at the whim of its author. As always, the author is absolutely and positively not bound by precedent.

Dick

-- Richard D. Adams, CPA (NC -inactive) Ellicott City, Maryland

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Dick Adams
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"Dick Adams" wrote

You're making this difficult on us.

Reply to
paulthomascpa

My thought exactly.

Reply to
Bill Brown

I realized you, Harlan, and Gene would have serious problems with the sobriety.

Dick

Reply to
Dick Adams

So no posting on April 16, then?

Reply to
D.F. Manno

Don't you mean April 18th?

Ira Smilovitz

Reply to
ira smilovitz

That's Paul Revere's Ride day.

To Arms! To Arms! The auditors are coming?

___ Stu

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Reply to
Stuart A. Bronstein

That is so a straight line for a spelling flame...

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Reply to
Adam H. Kerman

Unfortunately for us, Harlan Lunsford hasn't posted here since July

2010. He was having some newsgroup server problems, and although his last post was on a tax issue and it appeared he had successfully migrated to a new service, he hasn't shown up since.

He is, however, alive and well at the NAEA (Nat. Assoc. of Enrolled Agents) webboard (members only).

Reply to
Mark Bole

As is his prominntly displayed liquid refreshment.

Reply to
Arthur Kamlet

Yes. I forgot the extended deadline.

Reply to
D.F. Manno

I looked it up. Washington, D.C., celebrates Emancipation Day to commemorate the day Lincoln signed an act abolishing slavery and involuntary servitude, April 16, 1862, effective only within the District of Columbia. Thus, the date of this commemoration is unique to Washington, D.C.

Reply to
Adam H. Kerman

Adam, I'm not sure what you looked up or where, but in fact the filing deadline for 2012 is April 17:

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and here's why:

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You're correct that Emancipation Day is only celebrated in Washington, DC, but as the video says, Washington, DC holidays have the same impact on tax deadlines as Federal holidays.

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Jonathan Kamens

[previously posted in a LinkedIn tax group by me]

It turns out it's pretty easy to figure this out with spreadsheet date functions and a little research on Wikipedia (which I am proud to say I have made donations to for the last two years).

Apparently, when Emancipation Day observance in DC was signed into law in January 2005, it should have affected the 2005 deadline for TY2004 returns, but maybe it came so late that no one changed anything.

If Apr 15 falls on a Mon, Tues, Wed, or Thu, no change should be required (unless I'm missing something obvious). If Apr 15 falls on a Friday, then 4/16 is Saturday and Emancipation Day will always be observed on Friday, so that means delay. This is the only thing that changed, before Emancipation Day, Fridays were "normal". If 4/15 falls on Sat or Sun, then Emancipation Day will be observed on Monday and filing deadline will be Tuesday. (There still would have been a filing delay even without Emancipation Day, Monday instead of Tuesday). Once in a long while, Easter may fall on or close to 4/15, but since it's not a national holiday, I don't think it matters.

Looking at the 60 year period from 2005 to 2064, here is the breakdown of days of the week on which 4/15 falls:

Sun 9 Mon 8 Tue 9 Wed 8 Thu 8 Fri 9 Sat 9

4/15 deadline observed: 33/60 = 55%

4/15 deadline delayed:

27/60 = 45%

Here is the detail for the next ten years:

04/15/2012 Sun Delay 04/15/2013 Mon Normal 04/15/2014 Tue Normal 04/15/2015 Wed Normal 04/15/2016 Fri Delay 04/15/2017 Sat Delay 04/15/2018 Sun Delay 04/15/2019 Mon Normal 04/15/2020 Wed Normal 04/15/2021 Thu Normal 04/15/2022 Fri Delay

I now wonder, how much extra interest expense does the government (fed and state) spend due to delayed payment deadlines, delayed penalties, etc. Even two or three days delay at $X billions outstanding tax payments must cost something.

Reply to
Mark Bole

Fortunately, there's no requirement to be sober, only to use language that isn't inconsistent with being sober.

Seth

Reply to
Seth

"Seth" wrote

Good point.

Reply to
paulthomascpa

"Mark Bole" wrote

Let me know if you can get grant money to study the fiscal impact of this holiday. I'll gladly be your paid consultant.

Reply to
paulthomascpa

Training as a beer contest judge might be excellent preparation for that.

___ Stu

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Reply to
Stuart A. Bronstein

Emancipation Day was long commemorated in Washington, but it wasn't a public holiday. In both 2005 and 2006, it fell on weekends. In the ordinance making it a public holiday, the holiday was not moved to a weekday for those two years, so maybe they were thinking of the consequences for tax filing. Also, Washington has home rule, a relatively new thing, but ordinances take effect 30 days hence to give Congress time to object, so that delayed the effective date until February, 2005.

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Adam H. Kerman

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