Chip and spin

That's a totally vacuous distinction. There is effectively no difference between taking and forcing to give.

Not relevant and not true. The T&Cs do not talk of "handing over", merely of "allowing to use" and of "telling someone".

In my view if you are forced to give someone your card, that doesn't constitute allowing them to use it (I would construe "allow" in this context as "permit" or "authorise" as opposed to "enable").

Disclosing the PIN to someone enables, but does not authorise, the use. I just find it noteworthy that the rules explicitly forbid *both* telling and allowing. Forced giving of a card clearly does not constitute authorisation, but forced telling is still telling.

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Ronald Raygun
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Let's hope that when we are all using such scans, criminals appreciate this.

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Richard Oliver

What ATM's in the US - you are joking aren't you?

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Richard Oliver

At 14:12:24 on 27/12/2006, Richard Oliver delighted uk.finance by announcing:

Then the operators will continue to be liable for this type of fraud.

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Alex

Of course they will - I will just have my funds withdrawn over there, spend a few weeks proving it was fraud and await the refund ( a few weeks later). Only one of my credit card providers (Barclaycard) has turned off the ability for cash advances on my card/account. The others refuse.

I like to limit my exposure to fraud.

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Richard Oliver

Mine have all (eventually) given me + wife chip & Sig cards, with no pin. Hence no possible use in an ATM. Of course the checkout girls in Sainsburys continue to peer at us strangely, wondering where we keep out second heads, but I'm pretty much used tot hat by now.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can

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