Chip and spin

Nov 07, 2006 47 Replies

That's a totally vacuous distinction. There is effectively no difference between taking and forcing to give.

Not relevant and not true. The T&Cs do not talk of "handing over", merely of "allowing to use" and of "telling someone".

In my view if you are forced to give someone your card, that doesn't constitute allowing them to use it (I would construe "allow" in this context as "permit" or "authorise" as opposed to "enable").

Disclosing the PIN to someone enables, but does not authorise, the use. I just find it noteworthy that the rules explicitly forbid *both* telling and allowing. Forced giving of a card clearly does not constitute authorisation, but forced telling is still telling.

Let's hope that when we are all using such scans, criminals appreciate this.

What's going on?

PIN based fraud 2,500 victims in October.

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AND 150 in Worcester.

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No wonder Fraud at ATMs climbed 37% in the first 6 months of this year.

Is it safer to use a PIN with your credit card or continue to sign - A no brainer I'd say.

At 10:04:52 on 27/12/2006, James delighted uk.finance by announcing:

The sooner they're upgraded the better, wouldn't you say?

What ATM's in the US - you are joking aren't you?

At 14:12:24 on 27/12/2006, Richard Oliver delighted uk.finance by announcing:

Then the operators will continue to be liable for this type of fraud.

Of course they will - I will just have my funds withdrawn over there, spend a few weeks proving it was fraud and await the refund ( a few weeks later). Only one of my credit card providers (Barclaycard) has turned off the ability for cash advances on my card/account. The others refuse.

I like to limit my exposure to fraud.

Mine have all (eventually) given me + wife chip & Sig cards, with no pin. Hence no possible use in an ATM. Of course the checkout girls in Sainsburys continue to peer at us strangely, wondering where we keep out second heads, but I'm pretty much used tot hat by now.

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