Endowment complaints procedure - worthwhile

Hello,

I've had a 25 year endowment running for 16 years now, and of course it is not expected to pay off the mortgage. Until recently, I've adopted the approach of 'taking it on the chin' and switched to a repayment mortgage a few years ago, keeping up the endowment payments as a savings policy. However, having had another look through the initial and interim policy projections and combine it with the way in which it was sold to me I am now feeling more and more annoyed with it. Initial projections were that it would return circa 74K, in 1997 this had fallen to 48K, by late 2000 to 43K, and most recently to 32K (which if I were relying on it to pay my mortgage would leave me 16K to find). At this rate I will be expected to pay them when it matures! When it was sold to me I do remember being told that the final amount could vary depending on the financial conditions over the term, however the general impression given was that the Earth was more likely to be obliterated by an asteroid than fail to at least pay the mortgage. Obviously the exact words used by the sales person have faded from memory (back then I didn't realise that this is what they were) but one concrete statement I remember being made was something close to "... of course it could be that the policy won't cover the mortgage, but it has never happened this century and I can't see it happening now".

I am now thinking about trying to make a claim for some sort of compensation. Having spent a few hours digging around on various sites on how to do this it looks that the process has been designed to discourage such claims being made. One extra complication I have is that it looks like the original seller of the policy is no longer trading, so it isn't clear if it's worth me starting the process, and if so whether I should be complaining to the actual assurance company itself.

I was wondering how many subscribers to this newsgroup have tried getting compensation, and if so if they found the process as onerous as it appears. Any advice/experiences shared most welcome.

Cheers, Lucy.

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Lucy Collins
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One extra complication I have is that it looks like

The insurance company is not liable to you. It just provides a product which someone else has sold to you and it won't know the details of the sale, so it's not its fault. If the original seller is no longer trading then contact the Financial Services Compensation Scheme on 020 7892 7300 and discuss it with them.

Rob Graham

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Robin Graham

Maybe not originally, but during the mid 90's there was a lot of publicity with regards endowment policies and the possibility of them not covering the mortgage at the end. One of the aspects about this that is most annoying is that in '97 (a decade after the I started paying) the insurance company issued a review of the policy that included in it the statement "We are sure you will be pleased to hear that the policy proceeds currently remain on track to achieve or exceed the .....". This statement to swayed me towards not addressing the shortfall issue for another 4 years.

Just had a look at their web site (the FSCS). It seems that if you were sold the policy prior to August '88 (which I was) then you've had it.

Reply to
Lucy Collins

How is the interest bit of the loan doing compared with the projection?

In the event that this is a lot lower than what you expected to pay, are you putting the savings you are making towards the capital contributions, and if so, how does that affect your projections?

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Jonathan Bryce

If I'm understanding correctly, what you're infering is that whilst returns on the policy are low, but so is the interest payments, and that the 2 are linked (low investment returns associated with low interest rates). I would guess that this is a valid point, and one that I've not considered before. Of course, as I've not considered this before then neither have I been using the reduced interest payments to help make-up the short-fall. At least not directly - I did switch to a repayment policy circa 2001, so I guess I'm implicitly doing this. However, what annoys me is that it took the insurance company 16 years into the policy to admit that there wasn't a cat in hell's chance of it paying off the mortgage (all reviews up to this point indicating that all was fine and dandy), so I delayed doing this rather longer than I would otherwise have done so if they had been (as I see it) more honest and up front about this.

LC

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Lucy Collins

. However, what annoys me is that it took the

Everything *was* fine and dandy until the stockmarket took a plunge. If you'd known this was coming maybe you should have switched to a less risky fund. But I doubt if you knew to do this. The point really is, did the advisor who sold it to you tell you about the risks. If not it's not the insurance company's fault. If you knew the risks and were happy about it then you don't have a case.

Rob

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Robin Graham

Lucy

You are of course upset that your policy is not likely to give you the returns that you expected. But by your own admission you were aware that there was a risk.

To make a successful claim you would need to declare that you were not aware that there was a risk. This would mean that you would have to compromise your obvious integrity.

Clearly, if an individual has a genuine cause for complaint this should be investigated and proper compensation paid.

The compensation payments being made to people who may have few scruples do not appear from thin air. Ultimately they come from policyholders or shareholders funds, or in the case of a firm no longer trading, from the pockets of other IFA firms via the FSCS.

Peter Taylor

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Peter Taylor

In message , Robin Graham writes

They are if it was sold via a 'tied agent'.

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john boyle

Yes, true. I was lumping them in with being the insurance company.

Rob

Reply to
Robin Graham

Not at all. The issue is whether the salesman made her aware of the _degree_ of risk not the mere presence of risk (there are no risk free investments). In particular the salesman needed to make her aware that the risk was linked to stockmarket performance. It is not clear that this is the case.

Thom

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Thom

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