Lloyds TSB falling apart

In early December I opened an Executors bank account at Lloyds TSB. To date I have not received a bank statement so I called their contact telephone number to ask when I am expected to receive bank statements.

I waited a few minutes for someone to answer and after another few minutes of giving them various information I was told there was a technical fault on the phone line and asked to call back.

I called back and got put through to an Indian call centre. They said they couldnt find my account details - this was after repeating every detail at least three times. I was told that they would usually put me through to the branch but because it was after 5 pm they couldnt so they asked if I could call back tomorrow.

I asked if they could send me a fax explaining how they couldnt find my details. This would be invaluable to me when following up the problem and trying to ensure it wont happen to me again. They said that they couldnt send a fax. I asked why not. Their answer was that they couldnt send a fax. I tried to explain the difference between the two questions. I progressed to asking if they had a fax at their premises. The most I could get from them was that they couldnt send a fax because they are a contact centre! The conversation as explained was frustrating enough but it was padded out by all my questions leading to a long silence eventually broken by me having to ask a couple of times if there was anyone there. Eventually they would acknowledge they were still there but when I would repeat the question they would provide me with an answer to an earlier question that would have been answered five or more minutes previously. They asked me what type of account I have and when I told them it was an Executors account they said "Executive" account. I told them it was not an "Executive" account. I said it was an "Executors" account. They said "Executive" account! This was repeated several times. I asked the operator how long they had worked at a bank. They said they'd transfer me to another department! I was cut off! 31 minutes of talking to someone who should never be employed in any job requiring a brain.

Lloyds TSB have transfered jobs to India to save money despite the customers receiving a worse service. I am certain that Lloyds TSB accept that the customers get a worse service. I am also certain they will lie when they deny this.

I phoned again and I talked to someone English and they explained that Executors accounts are not available for viewing on the computer system. I had previously been told that I could not have internet banking facilities for this account but nobody mentioned that I couldnt call and ask questions! I was told that I could have been put through to the branch if they had been open. My wife had been in the branch the previous day and the details of the account werent available on their screens. Maybe they keep the information in bound ledgers still! I asked why the account wasnt available like other accounts and I was told they didnt know. They said they can send a request to Customer Care in Glasgow and they'd need to complete a form to fax it to them. I was surprised this operation wasnt computerised!

The first question for the form was my date of birth! Why? They didnt know why. I cant believe why in the middle of this chaos they are asking for my date of birth - it seems totally irrelevant.

A few weeks ago I had called Lloyds TSB about an unrelated query on another bank account and I was told I'd be called with the answer when I returned from holiday. I wasnt! I eventually got an apologetic letter explaining that my query had not been passed on. I feel that Lloyds TSB's priority is to apologise rather than address the problems. I didnt want the same thing to happen again so I asked for a reference number for my query. I was told that a reference number was not given until it reached Customer Care. I felt that this was bad control. Customer Care do not know that they are receiving all the queries if sequential numbers are not generated at the source. It's obvious to me that management at Lloyds TSB cannot be bothered to institute the most basic controls. They must be incompetent or completely uninterested in providing a good service.

Does anyone know why any of the following is happening:

  1. Three and a half months without a bank statement. By the nature of this type of account I would expect it to be quite busy.

  1. The account is not available to call centres or indeed on the computer system in the branch.

  2. Why they would need my date of birth on the query form.

  1. Why they don't generate a control system at the source of the query.

Reply to
Peter Saxton
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You seem to enjoy punishment! Hang on in there!

Reply to
Alex

It drives my wife mad. She just seems to accept that she cant get any sense out of a bank.

What I don't like is how I have to deal with all these people who are not to blame for the fundamental problems. I ask to speak to the people who have made these bad decisions but I get told that they are "not customer facing"! ie. They wont speak to you.

Communications companies are the worst at lying. I have upgrade two phones this year so far and on each occassion I was in Carphone Warehouse for over an hour while their computer tried to connect to T-Mobile's so I could upgrade. I complained to both companies and their staff were quite happy to lie to me by saying that there's no records to look at and they must have been very busy both times. I cannot believe that their computer systems do not keep a record of what I am asking for. If they didnt there would be massive opportunities for fraud. When I said that I know they are just trying to get me off the phone and not resolve the problem they deny it!

Reply to
Peter Saxton

I've been told that the bank account was set up to send out statements at six-monthly intervals. I'm amazed. I am now expecting to receive and pay out several fairly large sums (low thousands) before closing the account so I have asked for weekly bank statements.

The person at the branch I spoke to knew how to access this account in the branch and was able to agree the balance over the phone but she didnt know why the account wasn't available either online or via telephone via call centres.

Reply to
Peter Saxton

This must be the same one BT fault management is using.

Why is it that I want to slap them every time they say "Madam, the fault is on your premises" when my customer record should show them that the line had been offline for 90 days last year and 50 days this year because of local area network problems?

You should write comedies! This makes brilliant entertainment.

Partly this is due to how these companies have set up their computer systems. The staff is totally dumbed down by computer systems which determine every move and they're not expected to (or wanted to?) engage their brains.

I give you another example and I'm sure you can think of hundreds more like it:

A Which type report was conducted about the services of Deutche Bundesbahn (="German Rail") ticket counters: the services turned out to be inadequate in all cases. Options for saving money were hardly ever explained to the customer. 3 out of 4 advisors didn't give the customer the cheapest option. The counter staff is not familiar enough with the rail network and is totally reliant on a computer system, which does not have an option to display by "best price".

Or another example:

I had to return a £300 barcode scanner to a supplier. For obvious reasons I wanted insurance cover. Drove down to the local post office (3 miles). I was told that the only way to insure the parcel was "Special Delivery": £18 as the parcel only just exceeded 2kg. I didn't believe this and drove back with the parcel and checked the Royal Mail website to find out that you can purchase insurance cover for a bog-standard second class parcel: £8.

Next day at the post office armed with a print-out from their website: "normal" parcels are sent via ParcelForce and, so I was told, they will only accept parcels if the address was found in the postcode program. The woman was unable to find the address. I was behind her and I had the impression that she misspelled the company name ("Tecnology" without h) but couldn't be too sure as the screen was a couple of meters away. I must've been there for 20 minutes and she never found the address. I left the parcel in the PO and said I was going to double-check the address with the supplier and phone back.

Back in the office, I signed up with Royal Mail to be able to use the postcode program online. Found the address in 2 minutes.

By the time I phoned back, they had decided to put the parcel through anyway using some other business' address. I hope the postie delivering it had some more sense.

I've had various similar run-ins with PO counters and have written a number of complaints, which so I was told, resulted in re-training. Fact is, their computer doesn't show alternatives: i.e. that you can send a parcel 1st or 2nd class or that you can send parcels to Europe via air or surface mail.

Mrs Angry

Reply to
Elizabeth Smith

It is a top secret question that nobody else would know the answer to, and giving the correct answer to this question is irrefutable proof that you are who you say you are.

Reply to
Jonathan Bryce

I see where you're coming from - or going to!

Seriously, they'd already asked me that question to identify me. If they were going to ask me my date of birth another day when dealing with the query they'd be a bit stupid checking with the date I'd given them rather than the date they already have on their system!

Reply to
Peter Saxton

Ha!

However, this is some merit in the DoB being asked for. In my case, I have exactly the same name as my grandfather and at one time we both banked at the same bank & branch. checking Dobs prevented a couple of errors! Our local Drs Surgery should have done it more often too!

Reply to
john boyle

With a bank they took my sort code and bank account number as well.

Reply to
Peter Saxton

In message , Peter Saxton writes

Er, yes, quite, er, thanks for that.

two points :

1) I thought you would realise that the sort code was the same (same bank same branch), 2) At a branch enquiry window in the old days my grandfather (being somewhat older than myself) didnt always know his account number.
Reply to
john boyle

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