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Lottery Fraud nay Theft
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Stupid more like. He thought Camelot were going to just hand him millions of pounds without checking if he was the genuine ticket holder?
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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to remove their right to sell lottery ticket
How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't enter in to such a simple criminal act.
tim
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Agreed. A lot of elderly folk enjoy playing the lottery, but can't if the shops within walking distance don't sell tickets.
There's a large sheltered housing estate near me, and there hasn't been a lottery terminal within walking distance since nulab closed the local post office. The local newsagent has applied for a terminal, but Camelot keep telling him to apply again in six months time. He now has a Health Lottery terminal and many of the old folks play that instead.
Adrian
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They hired him. Up to them to ensure supervision.
On a similar note my wife bought a scratchcard with her change and popped it in her purse. She took it out the next day and checked it and found she appeared to have won £30. Took it to Sainsbury 7-11 round the corner where the manager told her it wasn't a winner. Fair enough he handed it back so it looks like he just couldn't be arsed to go through the procedure of registering the win and paying out.
Wife is not totally stupid anyway so she took it back to Asda a couple of days later and got her pay out with no problems
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Oh come on.
You can't have someone standing over every single minimum wage employee all day to make sure that they don't do something criminal. This idea is ridiculous. If you have to do this you might just as well not have the employee at all and only employ the supervisor.
tim
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Not employing Pakis from Oldham is a good start
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It is the same thing as a shop being fined/having alcohol license removed because a shop worker sold to under-age people. Shops are held accountable for the actions of their staff.
Andy
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It is the same thing as a shop being fined/having alcohol license removed because a shop worker sold to under-age people. Shops are held accountable for the actions of their staff.
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There is no immediate advantage to the staff to break these laws so it seems reasonable to conclude that if they do so it is because of lack of motivation from above to follow the rules (or even encouragement not to).
I think this is entirely different from being expected to "manage" your staff members not to commit a serious crime for their personal benefit whilst at work one day.
tim
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Shop staff can have all sorts of possible personal motivations to break those laws.
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The BBC item indicated that the shop was 'suspended' pending an investigation. This seems reasonable to maintain public confidence in the lottery. Presumably the lottery operator wants to check that the owners are operating the lottery franchise correctly and that staff with access to the lottery terminal are properly vetted, trained and authorised.
If there are shortcomings on the owner's part which contributed to the incident or if there were serious or frequent breaches of operating rules, then contract termination would be in accordance with the franchise contract and would be quite appropriate.
The employee was a total idiot for assuming that all tickets presented for checking were purchased there.
Camelot could improve security by providing a customer accessible scanner for checking tickets.
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In another forum I suggested it was only common sense to make some sort of customer-audible alert when a winning ticket is scanned and if it is worth a significant amount, Camelot alerted directly.
Someone from Canada replied that those are standard features of their lottery terminals.
Adrian
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Seems a sensible idea Adrian.
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In New Zealand the lotto terminal locks up if a ticket winning a major prize (ie too big for the agent to pay out) is presented. It is released once the lotto agent has conferred with 'head office.' The agent can either accept a payout application on behalf of the winner, or can 'register' the ticket (in case it is subsequrently lost) and hand it back for the winner to take it to 'head office'.
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How does that prevent fraud? The agent accepts on behalf of the victim and then collects the money themselves.
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The BBC item indicated that the shop was 'suspended' pending an investigation. This seems reasonable to maintain public confidence in the lottery. Presumably the lottery operator wants to check that the owners are operating the lottery franchise correctly and that staff with access to the lottery terminal are properly vetted, trained and authorised.
If there are shortcomings on the owner's part which contributed to the incident or if there were serious or frequent breaches of operating rules, then contract termination would be in accordance with the franchise contract and would be quite appropriate.
The employee was a total idiot for assuming that all tickets presented for checking were purchased there.
Camelot could improve security by providing a customer accessible scanner for checking tickets.
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Better still they could modify their scanner equipment so that it prints "WINNER" across winning tickets
tim
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Would not work if bar coded ticket merely held under a scanner head. Putting such a scanner on the customer side or having the display visible to the customer would stop that sort of racket.
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W H Smith now print tickets on ordinary till rolls. I haven't had a win on one of those (I use a web site to check the numbers), but I doubt they are physically transported through the lottery terminal, when being checked.
Also, in this case, the shop assistant could look at the ticket and say: sorry, no win, I'll throw it in the bin for you.
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Easy.. Camelot should provide EVERY winner witha receipt to showe how much they have won.
They don't, so the shoip is free to steal deom £5 ro 5,000,000 whenever they want to chance it. The big prize fraud will get found out straight away, most small prize theft will go undetected.
A corner shop can make £5000 per annum easily by stealing the small prizes, thanks to Camelot's lack of care of the customer.
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