Re: New Electrical Regs - Again

fuel duty I'll give you, but we are not talking serious money. A higher rate tax payer can probably take all this over stuff into account and offset it against lower tax bands and allowances and still come out with an overall tax rate less than the marginal rate of 55.5%.

Don't get me wrong, only getting to keep 44.5% of the money you earn is a disgrace but don't overplay your hand.

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Frank X
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"derek" wrote

Similar-ish (true) story:

I need a new central heating controller/timer fitted.

Call in an electrician: Electrician: "Sorry gov, you'll need a heating engineer to fit that!"

Call in heating engineer: Heating engineer: "Sorry gov, you'll be needing an electrician to do that!"

Thinks - ... - ah, ok - fits it myself.

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Tim

I've heard of that reason before.

I can see it from his angle. If he did fit a gas fire with one in place and some idiot managed to gas themselves to death through CO poisoning.

When he'd finished doing a stretch for involuntary manslaughter, the idiots next of kin would bankrupt him using some no win no fee ambulance chaser.

greg

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Greg Hennessy

Suppose a neighbour decides on some DIY gas work, and hasn't a clue about how to do it correctly. And blows up your house. Or doesn't follow plumbing regs and poisons your water. Or takes a load bearing wall down which effects the integrity of your structure?

Or perhaps likes noisy parties every night? Or wants to run a brothel?

All these with in the confines of his own house, and perfectly ok in your ideal world where the state leaves everyone to do their own thing regardless.

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Dave Plowman

Anyone care to speculate as to the reason? An *extractor* fan I can understand.

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Dave Plowman

How many lives will these new regulations save?

I suspect the answer is very close to "none".

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Huge

why is bartering VAT fraud?

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Peter Saxton

It reduces the strength of the draw on the chimney allegedly.

greg

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Greg Hennessy

A requirement for this would make sense: it would pick up the fact that the lighting had not been rewired since the 1920's and was now lethal; the current proposals do nothing about existing substandard installations.

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Tony Bryer

Uh? I can see why you can't have an extractor fan and gas fire but a ceiling fan only stirs up the air in the room, without changing anything. Any gas experts care to comment?

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Tony Bryer

So I sue his arse off. No state intervention or rules required. Does his activity materially affect my life in my home ? Yes ? Pay me.

Steve

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Steve

"Steve" wrote

Sue him for what, exactly?

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Tim

"Steve" wrote

And what value do you think should be placed on that? Couple of shillings & threppence??

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Tim

Infirnging my right to peace and freedom, unencumbered by the turkey next door.

Steve

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Steve

Think I'd rather put up with some government interference which has no chance of being rigorously enforced rather than resort to suing someone - where only the lawyers would win.

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Dave Plowman

I guess you need to find a 'cowboy' who'll ignore such bureaucratic rules, or DIY again. :)

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Vidcapper

This is a new one on me. It is certinaly not in GSIUR 1998 or AFAIK any BS normative document.

In fact you could have an extractor in the room (implausible) or in an adjoining open plan kitchen (plausible) with the open flue fire. However the likelihood is that aditional permanent ventilation would have to be provided.

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Ed Sirett

Surely if you use a powerful enough extractor fan with an open flue fire, it will draw the exhaust gasses into the room?

Exactly this happened to a pal who had a 'normal' open 'coal' fire and a kitchen with breakfast bar through to the living area after he fitted a powerful fan in the kitchen. The idea was to stop kitchen smells reaching the living area, when what happened was smoke in the kitchen.

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Dave Plowman

No, the GSI&U regulations do not forbid DIY gas work and do not make use of CORGI registered operatives mandatory unless the house is being rented or the operative is paid.

Agreed (with the emphasis on "ish"!).

I think poisoning the water will be an amazingly unusual result of DIY gas work while not following plumbing regs.

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Ronald Raygun

Just had my old P60's out to check.

It seems overall I am probably paying 51% of my takings to the government. My marginal rate could be around 55% or so. Company car benefit (which is tax & NI on money I haven't had) at the new rates would be the equivalent of about another 5%.

Intuitively, being taxed at 17.5% vat + 40% +11% +11% + sundries one would expect to pay more than 55%. I suppose the error lies in the fact that once money has gone to the gov. in tax it doesn't attract tax at the other levels, not yet anyway, something to be thankful for!

DG

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derek

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