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Q2006 basic: keeping trying to uninstall itself

It is a real pain that intuit didn't make Q2006 XP-aware and XP-well-behaved. Ever since I installed Q2006 I've had the problem [unfixable AFAICT] that if I double-click on a QDF file quicken will NOT start, but instead I get a "preparing to install" dialogue box. If I just start Quicken directly, it all works fine and I can open whatever QDF files I want and quicken handles them just fine.
NOW: Usually if I'm quick about clicking 'cancel' no harm is done, but if I'm not, the $@$@#$% thing tries to uninstall quicken [or something like that]. Of course it can't [since I'm running out of a limited acct], but it does screw up the install [I have no idea what it *does* manage to mess up!] so that the next time I try to run quicken directly I get the "Quicken is sick" pop, assuring me that my data files are OK but the program files are messed up. SO: I dig out the Q2006 CD and reinstall and tell it to "repair" the installation.
That usually works OK, but the other day I wasn't fast enough and got my Quicken install messed up again... and I did the "repair" thing and quicken seemed to all be OK.. *EXCEPT*... when it goes to backup the quicken files as it is exiting, I get the @$@%#$%@#$% "preparing to install" dialogue.
Does anyone know what's broken with Quicken's way of dealing with XP that causes these "preparing to install" dialogues? Is there a workaround or some way to fix it? Just remembering not to click on a QDF was something I could ignore.. but quicken trying to trash itself EVERY time I exit is going to be a real hassle.....
IS Q2007 or Q2008 XP-aware [that is, if I just bit the bullet and bought a newer version, would that make all of these problems go away???] I notice that there's no Quicken "basic" any more -- would the "starter" be pretty much the same thing? Hmm... I guess not: in the 'comparison' chart, the starter edition has "I do not need to import existing Quicken Data", and I sure do [over a decade of it!]... So I guess they've forced me to upgrade to "Deluxe".. oh well..
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> It is a real pain that intuit didn't make Q2006 XP-aware and > XP-well-behaved. Ever since I installed Q2006 I've had the problem > [unfixable AFAICT] that if I double-click on a QDF file quicken will NOT > start, but instead I get a "preparing to install" dialogue box. If I just > start Quicken directly, it all works fine and I can open whatever QDF > files > I want and quicken handles them just fine. > > NOW: Usually if I'm quick about clicking 'cancel' no harm is done, but if > I'm not, the $@$@#$% thing tries to uninstall quicken [or something like > that]. Of course it can't [since I'm running out of a limited acct], but > it does screw up the install [I have no idea what it *does* manage to mess > up!] so that the next time I try to run quicken directly I get the > "Quicken > is sick" pop, assuring me that my data files are OK but the program files > are messed up. SO: I dig out the Q2006 CD and reinstall and tell it to > "repair" the installation. > > That usually works OK, but the other day I wasn't fast enough and got my > Quicken install messed up again... and I did the "repair" thing and > quicken > seemed to all be OK.. *EXCEPT*... when it goes to backup the quicken files > as it is exiting, I get the @$@%#$%@#$% "preparing to install" dialogue. > > Does anyone know what's broken with Quicken's way of dealing with XP that > causes these "preparing to install" dialogues? Is there a workaround or > some way to fix it? Just remembering not to click on a QDF was something > I > could ignore.. but quicken trying to trash itself EVERY time I exit is > going to be a real hassle..... > > IS Q2007 or Q2008 XP-aware [that is, if I just bit the bullet and bought a > newer version, would that make all of these problems go away???] I notice > that there's no Quicken "basic" any more -- would the "starter" be pretty > much the same thing? Hmm... I guess not: in the 'comparison' chart, the > starter edition has "I do not need to import existing Quicken Data", and I > sure do [over a decade of it!]... So I guess they've forced me to upgrade > to "Deluxe".. oh well.. > > /Bernie\ > > -- > Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers > snipped-for-privacy@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA > --> Too many people, too few sheep
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} > It is a real pain that intuit didn't make Q2006 XP-aware and } > XP-well-behaved. Ever since I installed Q2006 I've had the problem } > [unfixable AFAICT] that if I double-click on a QDF file quicken will NOT } > start, but instead I get a "preparing to install" dialogue box. } } Well, my Quicken 2002 has always worked fine in XP Home.
If you're running XP/Home, you're probably running Quicken out of an administrator account. It works just fine as admin [basically, the Windows-98 mindset]; the don't seem to have gotten the XP stuff right, though, because it is a bear to run it from a limited acct...
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Bernie, yeah, now I understand. Guess that's why Intuit goes on and on about running Quicken in an Admininstrator account. Sorry, I can't solve this one.
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A Google search turned up a few message board comments regarding the 'preparing to install' dialogue. Try looking here
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For the OP in that thread "Assigning temporary Admin privileges to my normal user account and then doing a clean install worked"
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} > It is a real pain that intuit didn't make Q2006 XP-aware and } > XP-well-behaved. Ever since I installed Q2006 I've had the problem } > [unfixable AFAICT] that if I double-click on a QDF file quicken will NOT } > start, but instead I get a "preparing to install" dialogue box. } } A Google search turned up a few message board comments regarding the } 'preparing to install' dialogue. Try looking here }
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} } For the OP in that thread "Assigning temporary Admin privileges to my normal } user account and then doing a clean install worked"
Thanks for the pointer!! This comment from the 'senior contributor' basically says it all:
Quicken up to and including Q2006 has never been designed to run as a different userid than the userid that installed it. And it usually expects that userid to have admin authority.
Basically "We really don't understand XP and so still think we're in the world of Win98". Sigh.
I'll try the reinstall hack: I'll do the clean/total uninstall as admin, make my limited acct be admin, try an install, and then see if it works.
Anyone know if this foolishness is fixed in post-Q2006 versions? [as I mentioned, it looks like I'm going to be forced to move to 'premier' because they've discontinued basic [darn them!! :(], but if it is better XP-behaved, then maybe it'd be worth it...
THANKS for the info! /Bernie\
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I suspect you made a typo, but for those who wouldn't know that: the next step up after "Basic" is "Deluxe" ... and Deluxe hasn't been discontinued.
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} } > as I mentioned, it looks like I'm going to be forced to move } > to 'premier' because they've discontinued basic } } I suspect you made a typo, but for those who wouldn't know that: } the next step up after "Basic" is "Deluxe" ... and Deluxe hasn't } been discontinued.
Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and whatever the next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading to it...
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I don't understand your reasoning.
You're not "forced" to upgrade to any newer version; I think that idea is only in your head.
I still see posts from users who are happily using Q2000 or Q98 (and actually, I think even earlier than that).
There is also MS Money ... though it too presures you to upgrade to newer versions. But Money users can also refuse to buy those newer versions. But if you don't like Intuit, you can switch to Money ... or to several other lesser personal financial software packages ... that have no upgrade policies.
Not only do you not have to buy the newest version from Intuit, or to buy that newer version when it first comes out; but you can buy newer versions at places like eBay, dirt cheap.
The cost of a new version of Quicken every year is incredibly inexpensive, but under current Intuit policy you are only "forced" to buy every three years ... making the cost per year of Quicken so small as to be insignificant: so I still don't see the problem.
Unless it's just that you're just angry because Intuit needs new revenue in order to keep Quicken alive, but you don't want to give them any of that revenue. If Intuit can't convice users (new and old) to pony up that revenue ... Intuit will have to let Quicken die. If you believe that would be a good thing, I'm afraid I definitely don't understand your thinking.
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} > Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and } > whatever } > the next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading } > to it... } } I don't understand your reasoning. } } You're not "forced" to upgrade to any newer version; I think } that idea is only in your head.
No quite. Two things:
1) I have an interest in getting this "Quicken only runs properly if you're administrator" badness fixed [I'm assuming that *by*now* they've manage to hire a programmer who understands how limited accounts work and how to properly program within the XP (and now Vista) environment and so later versions won't have this problem]
2) I *think* my Q2006 is nearing its 'sunset', isn't it? [I thought it was three years, so come next summer, when Q2009 comes out, if past experience holds, if I want to keep downloading bank statements, etc, I'll have to upgrade [that's the only reason I upgraded to 2006 from 2003: my bank informed me that they would no longer support quicken access from the older version. Same thing happened to me with Q98 and the version before that, so I'm assuming that I'll soon be facing the same thing with my Q2006].
Note that I appreciate that developing Quicken costs money, but the reality is that I'm not one of their 'modern' users: the subset of Quicken Basic functionality I'm using in Q2006 is pretty much identical with the functionality I used in Q98 [I know that 'under the hood' that functionality has actually changed [different protocols for contacting banks, etc]]. But all that fancy stuff hasn't ever really fit my needs.
And as you observed: for $10-or-so a year, Quicken is dirt cheap [for how reliable [modulo the occasional auto-uninstall..:o)] it is and how much I depend on it]. Making that $25-or-so-a-year instead is still relatively cheap, but I'll still almost certainly just continue using my stodgy Q98-basic feature-set.
} ... But if you don't like Intuit, you can switch to } Money ... or to several other lesser personal financial software } packages ... that have no upgrade policies.
I don't understand: I'm not complaining about the upgrade policy but only that they're using that policy to force me into buying a version that's twice as expensive as the version I've been using for a decade or more (is it one thing to have to keep getting new versions every now and then; quite another, IMO, to be pushed into getting FANCIER new versions).
} The cost of a new version of Quicken every year is incredibly } inexpensive, but under current Intuit policy you are only 222 20599 body
} > Just so -- my problem is that they've discontinued Basic and } > whatever } > the next-one-up is called, they're scr*wing me into upgrading } > to it... } } I don't understand your reasoning. } } You're not "forced" to upgrade to any newer version; I think } that idea is only in your head.
No quite. Two things:
1) I have an interest in getting this "Quicken only runs properly if you're administrator" badness fixed [I'm assuming that *by*now* they've manage to hire a programmer who understands how limited accounts work and how to properly program within the XP (and now Vista) environment and so later versions won't have this problem]
2) I *think* my Q2006 is nearing its 'sunset', isn't it? [I thought it was three years, so come next summer, when Q2009 comes out, if past experience holds, if I want to keep downloading bank statements, etc, I'll have to upgrade [that's the only reason I upgraded to 2006 from 2003: my bank informed me that they would no longer support quicken access from the older version. Same thing happened to me with Q98 and the version before that, so I'm assuming that I'll soon be facing the same thing with my Q2006].
Note that I appreciate that developing Quicken costs money, but the reality is that I'm not one of their 'modern' users: the subset of Quicken Basic functionality I'm using in Q2006 is pretty much identical with the functionality I used in Q98 [I know that 'under the hood' that functionality has actually changed [different protocols for contacting banks, etc]]. But all that fancy stuff hasn't ever really fit my needs.
And as you observed: for $10-or-so a year, Quicken is dirt cheap [for how reliable [modulo the occasional auto-uninstall..:o)] it is and how much I depend on it]. Making that $25-or-so-a-year instead is still relatively cheap, but I'll still almost certainly just continue using my stodgy Q98-basic feature-set.
} ... But if you don't like Intuit, you can switch to } Money ... or to several other lesser personal financial software } packages ... that have no upgrade policies.
I don't understand: I'm not complaining about the upgrade policy but only that they're using that policy to force me into buying a version that's twice as expensive as the version I've been using for a decade or more (is it one thing to have to keep getting new versions every now and then; quite another, IMO, to be pushed into getting FANCIER new versions).
} The cost of a new version of Quicken every year is incredibly } inexpensive, but under current Intuit policy you are only } "forced" to buy every three years ... making the cost per year } of Quicken so small as to be insignificant: so I still don't see } the problem.
Indeed -- as I said, I'll likely go ahead and buy it [although I'll just wait 'til Q2009 -- if there were a Q2008 Basic [and it fixed the 'you have to be admin' bug], I'd go buy it now... but since there isn't, I'll hold off. Their marketing decision, my purchasing decision. Seems fair...:o)
} Unless it's just that you're just angry because Intuit needs new } revenue in order to keep Quicken alive, but you don't want to } give them any of that revenue.
Not at all. I realize that development of all of that super-fancy stuff that many folk use [budgeting, investment management, trend analysis, fancy graphing, who-knows-what] takes money. It'd just be nice if they still had a place in their heart (and marketing plans) for us folks who do just fine with 'Basic' functionality.
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Hi, Bernie.
I'm only guessing here, because I haven't seen Q2008 on the shelf and haven't even bothered to visit the Quicken website, but...
In the past couple of years, at least, the Basic version wasn't mentioned on their promotional materials, but it WAS on the shelf at the retail stores. Omission from their website was simply Intuit's attempt to trick us into upgrading to the fancier versions. :^{
My GUESS is that good ol' Basic for Q2008 will be on the shelf at Best Buy, Wal*Mart, etc., when we get ready to buy it.
And I hope that someone will post confirmation of that here as soon as they know for sure. ; Not at all. I realize that development of all of that super-fancy stuff
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Hi RC
Alas, it appears that Basic is no longer with us - per this link to an Intuit site:
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The referenced articl starts out "As of August 2007, Intuit is no longer offering new versions of Quicken Basic."
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} > It is a real pain that intuit didn't make Q2006 XP-aware and } > XP-well-behaved. Ever since I installed Q2006 I've had the problem } > [unfixable AFAICT] that if I double-click on a QDF file quicken will NOT } > start, but instead I get a "preparing to install" dialogue box.
} A Google search turned up a few message board comments regarding the } 'preparing to install' dialogue. Try looking here }
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} } For the OP in that thread "Assigning temporary Admin privileges to my normal } user account and then doing a clean install worked"
Followup: I did just that. Gave my acct admin privs, put the CD in and did an uninstall. Put the CD in again and did an install and let Quicken update itself. Then set my acct back to being limited and it *all*works*! In fact, the old problem I had [with the 'preparing to install' when I double-click a QDF file seems to be gone, also. So the overall install looks perfect now. YAY! Thanks!!!
/Bernie\
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Hi, JM.
Thanks for the heads-up - and for that URL. I don't like it, but at least I know.
I used Deluxe versions of Quicken and TurboTax for several years. But as I became more and more retired and my finances became less complicated, I cut back to Basic on both of them a few years ago, and they have worked very well for me. But I had been thinking of trying a higher version for one year, just to see what I've been missing - if anything. I guess Intuit is making my decision for me.
RC
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It turns out, they are selling something called Quicken Starter Edition (free after rebate at Circuit City this week, or $10 at Best Buy). I assume it has the functions that Basic used to, but they say it cannot import existing Quicken data, so you'd have to start from scratch to use it! If you are a Quicken Basic user who wants to keep their existing data, you have to upgrade to Deluxe to go to a new version. Pretty sleazy if you ask me!
Bill
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Hi, Bill.
I haven't seen Q08 on the shelves yet. The Starter Edition (or whatever they're calling it this year) is not new. They've had that just about every year. You are right: It is NOT the same as Basic.
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