Average Price of UK website designed?

There are only one set of standards for HTML/CSS, those set by the W3C, which Microsoft is a member of.

They aren't standards. For a start if they were Microsoft would actually implement them properly (and not have a variety of implementation problems between versions) as it would obviously want to be a shining light for their "standards".

I would argue that a standard is one defined by a group with no vested interest. Therefore the W3C fits as the W3C stands to make no money off a product based purely on it's decisions regarding it's standards. It's members may, but not the organisation.

Cheers,

Andy

"Andy Jeffries" wrote

Well, you could say that, but it's only one opinion. If 99% of the population use one set of rules, and only 1% use the set of rules laid down by a "standards organisation", then some would say the set of rules that are used by the vast majority becomes "a standard".

"Andy Jeffries" wrote

Yes they are - just a different kind of "standard".

Who says they can't have several different standards? - one for each different version! After all, standards can evolve and you'd expect newer version to "get better"!

"Andy Jeffries" wrote

I'd say that's only one type of "standard". Another type of "standard" is one that is actually used by a majority of users...

It never ceases to amaze me, how this kind of thing is so often overlooked by large firms who have large amounts of resources at their disposal, but they still overlook these basic principles sometimes.

What kind of purely internet based businesses actually make any money? Any suggestions?

If someone understands how to do PHP then does that mean they are quite advanced level website designers?

Andy you must be a website designer? I did not realise that there was a way of making websites that catered for the blind.

Don't be silly, Golden Gun, anyone can learn one topic but unless they know all the other skills at a level below they cant be considered that

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

"Moonface" wrote

Another alias, Golden Gun? Aren't yo getting fed up yet?

Anyway - if your website *doesn't* "cater for the blind" (or any other disabled group), you could find yourself in trouble after the latest Disability Act passed recently...

Not by itself and it depends on what you mean by website designer.

For example, I am an expert PHP programmer (not bragging, but being honest) and can design the architecture/workings/content of a site great.

However, give me a graphics package and you may as well give a blind rat a crayon and scan the resulting drawing!

You generally get a jack of all trades who knows graphics, HTML and PHP a bit, but ideally you want specialists in each area.

Cheers,

Andy

However, if they know PHP, odds are they know HTML (as PHP creates HTML generally).

Cheers,

Andy

I work for a design consultancy, but am more of a website programmer than designer...

As others have said, more a way of making your website more accessible to screen reading software. And yes, ensuring your web site is accessible to disabled users will be essential when the final part of the Disability Discrimination Act (1996?) comes in to force in October 2004.

Cheers,

Andy

What's all this Golden Gun malarky?

What do you mean passed recently? Is there something I'm missing.

The Disability Discrimination Act was passed in 1995 (I wasn't sure earlier and thought it was 1996). The employment rights and partial rights of access came in to effect in December 1996, other rights of access came in to effect in October 1999 and the full act will be effective in October 2004.

Cheers,

Andy

"Andy Jeffries" wrote

Ah, GG is our celebrity - always dreaming up new schemes for making money rather than using his furniture factory in Poland / BTL / telemarketing ... He keeps changing his screen name (one time it was "Golden Gun", but he's been through many!).

He's quite funny really, but sometimes it's more sad.

"Andy Jeffries" wrote

You are most likely more correct than I am - I just heard about it a few months back, and I'm not sure on all the legal timescales etc.

I'd go further than that - IE 4 and 5 definitely (because there's little point in upgrading from IE4), then depending if your target market includes computer-literate people (or, better, if you want to do it right), mozilla, opera, konqueror, lynx, old netscrape, etc etc.

If your site is IE6 only it is _no_ use to me. Don't get into the upgrade trap - keep things working with old software.

clive

Golden Gun burst on the scene under a marketing expert persona. Unfortunately for him, EVERONE saw through his bullshit so he resorted to childish comments and insults.

As the killfile count started to exceed his desire for recognition and appreciation he reinvented himself in many forms. Some of the more bazaar (Golden Gun spelling!) were as someone afflicted with a small penis and someone providing massage services to men.

Now his various covers have been blown (including multiple company international furniture maker) he stands in the unemployment queue. I cant imagine what interviewers think of him!

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

Dont get into the computers and software trap - keep things working with pencil, paper and your head!

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

I see. I've read/posted to this group for ages but not really paid attention to that name.

I'm not 100% sure I'm right, IANAL, but I did have to look in to it for a client recently.

Cheers,

Andy

Why do you draw a conclusion with an archaic method when the other poster stated that he wanted sites to be compatible with browsers that are newer than IE6 (e.g. Opera and Mozilla)?

Cheers,

Andy

"Peter Saxton" wrote

Actually, wasn't that after his "40%pa+ guaranteed yield on BTL" idea?

IE6 has about two thirds of the browser market and generally upgrading can be more fun.

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk