Same day bank transfers due in 2005

Banks may charge for money transfers

A new system to transfer money from one bank account to another almost instantly will be in place in 2005, but the banks have still not decided whether to make it available to customers, or what they will charge if they do.

Currently, money takes a minimum of three working days to move from an account in one bank to an account in another, and the banks often add on a day or two at each end.

During this time the banks still hold the money and earn interest on it.

The timescale dates back to when bits of paper moved around the City of London. But the BBC has learned that there are now no technical barriers to doing it more quickly.

Marion King is Chief Executive of BACs, the system that processes these payments. She told BBC Radio 4's Money Box programme that it was the banks causing the delays:

"At BACS now we are building a new infrastructure, such that same-day payments can be delivered, and that will be ready by the end of 2005.

"We could in theory provide overnight payments now, but because of the processing that happens within the banks it is three days presently."

It will be up to the banks to offer the faster system to their customers.

Ms King continued: "The banks need to embrace this new system and provide choice to the customer.

"So the decision does not lie with me. The system is being built and it can deliver faster payments."

The new system will be able to offer same day or overnight processing of all the payments handled by BACS, currently four billion a year.

Government pressure

Ms King said it was up to the banks to decide what to offer and what to charge.

"Each individual bank will make its own decision on how it packages and how it charges customers.

"There is an opportunity to create a service that is appealing and is based on customers' demands and what they are prepared to pay."

The banks are already under pressure on money transfers from the Office of Fair Trading.

Last week it told them that any interest they earned on the money they hold onto would have to be credited to the customer.

But when slower transfers stop being profitable, we may all have to pay for faster ones.

In Sweden, money is always transferred on the same day or overnight. But customers pay a monthly charge.

A spokesman for the British Bankers' Association told the BBC:

"The banks own BACS and will spend £100 million to create, by early 2005, a platform to move money, including internet transfers, on the same day.

"Banks will then be challenged to change their own systems to match this.

"UK banking is free to in-credit customers and we believe the model works well for consumers who dislike paying charges for routine services."

BBC Radio 4's Money Box was broadcast on Saturday, 28 February, 2004 at 1204 GMT.

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Daytona
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Without a hint of irony, Daytona astounded uk.finance on

28 Feb 2004 by announcing:

Erm, CHAPS is already in place...

Reply to
Alex

In message , Alex writes

Erm, Yes, so it is. But how could CHAPS handle the volume of BACS together with its inherent internal accounting reconciliation for clients?

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john boyle

Without a hint of irony, john boyle astounded uk.finance on 29 Feb 2004 by announcing:

I've no idea :-)

So what will happen to CHAPS if they 'upgrade' BACS? Will it disappear altogether, especially if BACS same-day charges undercut it?

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Alex

In message , Alex writes

We will have to see how the new BACS system works. At the moment pre authorised transactions, like standing orders and Direct Debits are pre-loaded into the system (as it were) before the transactions to take place with the account being credited.

The BBC article says that the new 'same day' or 'overnight' service will only apply to the services that BACS currently provides, i.e. mostly SOs and DDs and some on-line banking transactions. this does NOT include manual Bank Giro Credits and which have no 'lead time' . CHAPS is a same day system which is in effect a same day Bank Giro Credit. So the new BACS system will not necessarily remove the need for CHAPS we will have to wait and see.

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john boyle

As usual with BBC reports I'm not convinced that this makes sense as it stands. I was looking at this recently, and AFAIR the situation is that BACS is in the middle of a major upgrade to its technology to do T+1 clearing, i.e. money should hit your account the day after it's paid in. I didn't see anything about *same* day clearing, and the quotes above are ambiguous - certainly I don't think you will get CHAPS-style instant clearing, at best I guess it might mean that there are morning and afternoon cycles or something along those lines. Once the technology is in place the banks obviously have to upgrade to use it, which is presumably the "delay" that's being described, but I assume that the goal is to have everyone using it eventually, so I don't think there is likely to be any issue of charging for it as a premium service (although it might make sense for banks to charge for cheques since they cost a lot more than electronic transfers). The charge for CHAPS will no doubt continue.

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Stephen Burke

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