*cough* lickle monkey indeed ...
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*cough* lickle monkey indeed ...
Now that's what I call 'Lighting the blue touch paper, and retiring to a safe distance'...
It's that sort of nebulous waffle that europhiles are made of.
We run a balance of payments deficit with the EU. It would be interesting if somebody did the sums. Forty five million a day to the EU. Vastly inflated food prices to subsidise French peasant farmers. it was always interesting living in a French village to see how a French farmer with no more say ten pigs could survive whilst pig farms in the UK were not viable under several thousand pigs. Then of course you have the fisheries policy and the benefits accruing from reclaiming our fishing waters from Brussels. Then we have the nutty green energy policies which will cost a fortune to implement and which will make our industrial base even more uncompetitive. It all adds up to vast sums of money. Finally of course we now have the EU policy suggestion of a transaction tax which will render the City even more uncompetitive. I do not think we would suffer at all if we left the EU and the financial benefits would be considerable.
Except it has a system of legally enforceable collective bargaining which sets wage rates per industry.
Just look at Norway they aren't in the but that have to do what the EU tells them or the EU does not trade with them.
Exactly!!!
Good post!
"DVH" wrote
Generally speaking it didn't need one as its workers were not exploited to the same extent as ours.
John.
"DVH" wrote
Maybe not, but they could well be encouraged to give preference to exports from other EEC countries and could even impose import duty on UK goods.
John.
why do you believe that matters?
1)people sold their rights 2)the local fisheries(and around the world) are under heavy attackany energy policy will be expensive...the price of energy is rising as fossil fuels deplete and populations increase... quite apart from the immense environmental damage done by the industry externalising their costs... you should be building nuclear power stations as fast as you can
They have industry wide legally enforceable collective bargaining which amounts to minimum wage. If I remember correctly the system was set up by the British at the end of WW2.
The cost to us of being in the EU could very well amount to 35 billion a year which is a sizeable chunk off our 165 billion deficit.
"charlie6" wrote
a year which is a sizeable chunk off our 165 billion deficit.
That deficit mainly exists because the UK business community have abandonned this country for manufacturing, and if it wasn't for a handful of Japanese owned car factories (which are here because they can export without tarrif to Europe) we'd be totally screwed. It would take much palm-greasing in the way of subsidies for those factories to uproot to mainland Europe if we left the EEC.
John.
and if the eussr then put tariff on uk goods of £50 billion?
It's not snouts in the trough.
Oh, and, because this is uk.legal, I'm lying.
You don't know, do you?
You have to be a worker before you can be an exploited worker.
Also, I refer you to this:
"Net real wages in Germany have hardly risen since the beginning of the
1990s. Between 2004 and 2008 they even declined. This is a unique development in Germany-never before has a period of rather strong economic growth been accompanied by a decline in net real wages over a period of several years."
True, but German wages have been stagnant or falling for many years.
Then we would put a tariff on EU goods of 50 billion. The EU would lose more if we were to leave than we would. Think of the EU wide contract procurement policies in relation to the current purchase of trains. How much does the fake EU competition rule cost the UK. The French always find a way round them and preserve their national interest. They can do that because like most of Europe they have a different legal system based on Napoleonic codes whereas our confrontational system does not allow for other than a result based on the law and provides much easier access to litigation if we deviate from the law. You would be hard put to find a single EU policy which was beneficial to the UK. If we left we would be quids in. Think of the Spanish farmers and what would happen to them if we suddenly developed our own agricultural policy and subsidized vegetable growing. The French by-pass EU laws by always managing to invoke development area status on almost anything. My travel business when I ran it in France was a recipient of coal mining area tax concessions.
Were you oop north?
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