£50 note withdrawal

just preposterous!

Ooh er, did you know that coins, with the exception of the crown, are not necessarily legal tender in England?

From the Royal Mint:

"Coins are legal tender throughout the United Kingdom for the following amount:

£5 (Crown) - for any amount £2 - for any amount £1 - for any amount 50p - for any amount not exceeding £10 25p (Crown) - for any amount not exceeding £10 20p - for any amount not exceeding £10 10p - for any amount not exceeding £5 5p - for any amount not exceeding £5 2p - for any amount not exceeding 20p 1p - for any amount not exceeding 20p"

Jeff

No, because just because something is not legal tender does not mean it will be refused. Obviously Scottish (and English) banknotes are of course basically always accepted in Scotland and indeed the rest of the UK. However just because they rarely are refused it does not mean that legally they cannot ever be refused.

Ok in which case yes they certainly *can* refuse Scottish notes, but of course, being the Post Office, they basically never *will* refuse.

most people accept all pounds are the same.

Oh for goodness sake.

I use the sensible form of the words. You use the pedantic and ignored form. Groats are not legal tender. Pounds are.

Google maps isn't the nicest interface, even on 50 Mbit. And Pollard street is quite long. And those stupid bollards blocked the google car.

Why not simply give

which shows it's a Roman CatholicChurch, or which disagrees with itself.

If someone has done something for me and I pay my bill in cash, I doubt they'd get far if they didn't accept it. Say a plumber did work for me in my house, and I paid him in Scottish banknotes, then he refused to accept them and sued me for non-payment. He'd be laughed out of court. Ergo they ARE legal tender.

Because they have a higher IQ than yourself.

It also does when you are applying the Law. The Law IS pedantic. Any ambiguities are taken advantage of by sharp-eyed lawyers and tax advisors, etc. Especially where money is concerned, words have EXACT definitions.

To be precise: It is legal to use Scots notes - provided both parties agree. One party would AGREE to accept the note from the other party, in settlement of a financial transaction.

Scots notes, however, are NOT legal tender.

If you purchased a newspaper on a Sunday, you could pay for it with small silver (10ps. 20ps, etc).

If you did an entire week's shop of, say, 75, and tried to pay for it in

10p and 20p pieces, the shopkeeper MIGHT well refuse to accept it. (OTOH, he MIGHT agree to accept it). - because there is a legal MAXIMUM as to what legal tender is, in certain denominations of coin. (I can't remember what they are, and CBA to look it up. Be a good boy, "Major", and look up maximum legal tender in bronze/ silver/ 50p pieces/ 1 coins, will you?). The shopkeeper is NOT OBLIGED to accept small coin in excess of the legal maximum (but can do so if he wishes).

If you picked up a parking fine of, say, 60, and tried to pay in 10p pieces (which, I presume, you have been using all your life, so they MUST be legal????) then payment would undoubtetly be refused.

The Court Office would not accept it.

Such an amount would not be legal tender. (Too many aggrieved motorists would pay in small change, as the only way of expressing anger and/or frustration).

OTOH, the Court COULD NOT refuse to accept payment in the form of, say, six

10 notes.. Because that WOULD be legal tender.

You COULD pay your fine on a credit/debit card - which is NOT legal tender - but the Court would probably accept it, because it is convenient for them. They would KNOW that the fine has actually been paid (when the Bank "approves" the payment).

I suspect a Scottish Court would accept six Scottish 10 notes (in similar circumstances) in Scotland, but they would NOT be obliged to do so - they are NOT legal tender. But they would be convenient for the Court to accept - in other words, both parties would agree that they would settle the debt.

An English Court may well refuse to accept Scottish notes. (Maybe Carlisle/ Berwick on Tweed might - but they would not be obliged to).

And: where you have attempted to pay such a fine, and been refused because it is NOT legal tender - the fine remains unpaid, with all the penalties that can consequently be incurred (doubled; court, costs, prison.... nice, eh!).

It boils down to the difference between what the person who is owed the money MUST IN LAW accept in payment, and what he is willing to accept in payment.

Personally: I am reluctant to accept Scottish notes. As a resident of Southern England, the current design is not familiar to me. I would not accept an English "green" 1 note either - because they have been withdrawn. How do I KNOW that the Scottish note being offered to me has not been withdrawn?

Which makes them legal. If I tried to pay for my shopping with leaves I'd get into trouble.

Depends if we throw out the current "government".

He was talking about pre-war Germany.

Everywhere IN THE UK you pedant.

The law IS pedantic. This is a legal newsgroup.

Sounds pretty legal to me. It certainly isn't ILlegal. Where did I say it was illegal to accept such promissory notes? All that was pointed out, is that they are NOT legal tender.

10p pieces are legal (I don't think even YOU are able to argue with that!)

Try paying your Council Tax bill all in 10p pieces.

Or your TV licence (you do have one?????)

Won't be accepted.

Not legal tender. (You will doubtlessly argue with that, and you would be mistaken. That is something you only do once a week, getting mistaken.... starts on a Sunday morning and finishes on a Saturday night).

They will tell you to f*ck off, wanker, and come back with either a platic card or banknotes.

(they won't actually - they will say "Sorry Sir, but I am afraid we cannot accept that much in payment for your Council Tax/TV Licence/ whatever. Perhaps you could come back later with something more suitable? May we suggest either a debit/credit card or, maybe, 10 or 20 notes? Thank you, Sir. Goodbye". But they will still be thinking to themselves "Fuck off, wanker, etc....")

You don't need to carry loads of 1 coins around with you. Even YOU have managed so far without doing so, haven't you?

I take it you are a "Major" in the Infantry. They are renowned for being as thick as two Bailey chesses tied together with string.

get far if they didn't accept it. Say a plumber did work for me in my house, and I paid him in Scottish banknotes, then he refused to accept them and sued me for non-payment. He'd be laughed out of court. Ergo they ARE legal tender.

He certainly wouldn't be laughed out of court, and that is precisely the point that you are missing. The only method of payment he would be obliged to accept are BofE notes and coins in the appropriate denominations.

The term legal tender has a very specific meaning in law. It was your refusal to accept the correct definition of the term that has resulted in this thread running for so long. You've had it explained to you enough times now, so why not just accept that as a learning exercise rather than trying to tell everybody else that they are wrong?

Chris

Why?

There must be one. A shop can't issue vouchers and not accept them (except when they go bust like Comet).

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What is this law of which you speak??

same grounds?

Yes, for that one or for any other grounds or for no grounds at all. Legal tender does not mean that it must be accepted as a payment. The only current practical meaning that I know for "Legal Tender" is that when it is used to make a payment into a court it creates a defence against a suit for debt.

That's fair enough if there are fakes.

Hmmmm there is a spate of forged ENGLISH 50s - can a shop refuse those on the same grounds?