C'mon Newscorp, you can do better than this...

Well, actually it is the Northern Alliance that supply the heroin. The Taliban are against it.

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The Taliban where torturers, and mad dogs, having no respect for human values. Surely anything that is pro democracy or pro western has to be better than them.

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Just like the Americans in Guantanano Bay...

And who says the Northern Alliance is pro democracy or pro western?

I cannot defend imprisonment indefiniately without trail, and without trail according to "european general acceptable standards"...that is my personal pet disagreement with the US conservative style thinking. I am against the death penalty, I am against practices of harsh treatment of prisoners or humans by anybody for whatever reasons. I hope there is not the situation in Afghanistan where one tyranical "mad dog" style organisation is replaced with another equally bad, but pro western democracy. I hope that does'nt happen.

I believe you.

But what does that have to do with Tony Blair holding it up as a reason to invade Afghanistan?

This was essentially Tony Blair's promise.

And because of this promise many people supported the invasion of Afghanistan.

Yet the reality is that Afghanistan is once again the top world producer of heroin (according to UN figures).

If you want to know the truth then there are several reasons.

1/ To stand shoulder to shoulder with our closest ally. 2/ Stamp out breeding grounds for terrorist training camps...where alkaida where openly based. 3/ There was a feeling amongst certain muslim countries that the USA/UK where SOFT, and where to cowardly to actually risk real invasions, instead they thought we just only bombed from the sky, or sent in missiles, this therefore acted as a reason why some countries where happy to support alkaida. It served to show the world that any country supporting terrorists would be invaded. Which I believe is true! The united states has a very beligerant and very aggressive foreign policy. Never before in my lifetime has the US been willing to sacrifice its young, not since the days of Vietnam! 4/ The best way to influence the United States is to engage as a powerful ally with the United States as Tony Blair has done. No other country in the world has so much influence as the UK.

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I suppose one must admit that all that is promised is not allways delivered.

Personally I am wondering why their seems to be no trace of WMD yet?

Nothing wrong with that, fool.

Wrong in the time just before the invasion.

Nope.

Correct.

He never did as THE reason, just ONE OF THE REASONS, fool.

Yep. Tho Blair is selective about when he choose to do that.

Yep.

Yep, and they discovered that when it comes to the crunch like with Sept 11, its much more complicated than that.

The Japs managed the same spectacular footshot with Pearl Harbour.

Nope, they mostly hate the US for various reasons.

I dont expect to see the US invade Palestine any time soon. They will leave that to the Isrealis.

Hardly surprising given Sept 11.

The same thing happened after Pearl Harbour too.

Wrong. There were quite a few between Vietnam and Afghanistan.

They dont really have any real 'influence' at all. Their support is welcome tho.

Presumably the intelligence got it wrong, particularly the most unlikely claims that they could deliver stuff in 45 minutes.

Only a fool is stupid enough to expect that intelligence will always be perfect.

Who cares anyway ? Saddam got disposed of very unceremoniously indeed. What Dubbya's dad should have done at the end of the Gulf War.

Those are all GREAT reasons, however Blair made an implied promise to eradicate the greatest source of heroin and he has not done so. It's time to hold him accountable for that promise.

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Like they 'got wrong' official warnings from no less than SEVEN other countries about 9-11? Getting it wrong to that extent is almost unbelievable incompetence.

Let's assume it WAS incompetence. Where does that leave us?

Yes. Who cares about garbage disposal? Indeed, who cares about democracy?

At least there was a good excuse first time around, although even then, it had little to do with democracy. Kuwait is still the fiefdom it was before.

Not only that, but the British have been having a military force in Northern Ireland for a long time. It is a well known fact that IRA weapons stores are NEVER found, by chance, nor by looking, they are only found after someone has told them where they are. So my point is that by randomly looking for perhaps small quanitites when they have had so much time to hide them, is virtually impossible. Even they may have been hidden abroad. Very easy to do. It is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

He had them, and he used them on his own people..how in the word could he not have them??

Not only that, Saddam tried to have George Bush Senior assassinated on a trip to the United States! So I think he is an enemy of the west! He murders and gases his own people. And what would happen if he got hold of a nuclear bomb? People never realise these things until its too late.

BJ, I have to confess, that as much as I would like to be able to say I know about this subject in depth, really I don't, I know that Afghanistan is the words major supplier, and I also know the taliban apparantly where against it, (just have that in my mind, not from hard source) but I don't know what Tony was saying about that. I remember at one stage after September 11th, he was talking about all kinds of ambitions he had for world peace and things for the betterment of the world. I think people underestimate the "effect" perhaps he has had on the US. I allways feel that no ruler can make everybody happy, but what I see is I have a feeling that Tony has his heart in the right place. Lets be frank, he has put his life on the line, for the rest of his life! He could be a target for terrorists and his family also for what? A measily 50K per year is all he gets. Many people reading this forum get paid more than him!

The Man Called Nog Spake Thus, and from his lips did emanate the words of truth.

Sorry, you've lost me there.

I did'nt like to say anything for fear of beng called a "troll" but yes i also could not understand the meaning of that statement?