C'mon Newscorp, you can do better than this...

You seem to think that it's okay for pollies to BS because voters with a higher IQ can figure it out?

I disagree. On the contrary, if most of us are dumb then there is an even greater responsibility on pollies to explain their case properly & we should elect pollies who do so. Iraq is a good example because there was a good case and they saw fit to lie anyway. This leads to a situation where the smarter voters begin to suspect their motives, which in turn undermines the democracy which we are supposedly defending. The onus is now on the pollies to explain why they lied, otherwise we in turn will assume the worst or simply play it safe and turf them out at the next election.

I don't accept that anyone's vote has more value than anyone else's. Hard as it might be to swallow, Rod Speed's vote is no less 'worth' than yours or mine - Of course, I'm assuming that he's a primate at the same stage on the evolutionary road.

HI BJ,

Well certainly amazed to find out how famous Rod Speed is, but I think he's inteligent, and does have alot of good points,

He's famous, anyway, I notice how on the usenet, people call anybody who has a strong opinion or disagrees a "troll" such an easy thing to say.

Rod Speed is not a troll, no more than you are..., I don't think he's style is too offensive if taken in the spirit that I think its meant...

Cheers Chaps

BJ,

Have you been on UK LEGAL, it truly truly is the "wild west"...apparantly their have been posters ont heir who have been posting for years, some have had real stories behind them...truly amazing, its a real community, and the thing is, that it seems that usenet community at uk.legal actuallly spills over from the online community into the everyday community! Interesting stuff

He didnt say anything like that.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. In spades when you're so stupid you cant even manage to work out what he actually said.

Only terminally woolly minded fool would be that stupid.

It aint even possible, stupid.

It isnt hard to say make the case for doing something about a country thats attempting to invade us. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that its MUCH harder to make the case for a GST for example. Or to increase ANY tax.

You're the pathological liar. Not surprising that you assume everyone else is as bad as you are on that.

ALL voters suspect polly's motives, fool.

Completely off with the fairys now. ALL voters suspect polly's motives, fool. And democracy works better than all the other alternatives anyway.

You aint established that they did, and thats certainly not what the great majority of the voters think. So you get to shove your head back up your arse, again.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of what a terminal f****it you have always been.

Reams of your puerile shit flushed where it belongs.

Missed the point completly

I guess that one passed you by as well

Your address will not change though you maybe be posting to a different news server

Really. If so create a post with the ip address of 203.1.91.5

Duh..

newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-ma il

Because you change news servers.

I stand corrected

Correct

I stand corrected

Thanks for the encouragement

So you will not mind if I inform iinet

How quaint!

Goes to show that people can't resist their urge to respond to drivel and fail to use the reliable remedy: Don't feed the trolls!

regards Xylord

news.optusnet.com.au!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!news1

.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!newsfeed.ii

That was a joke!

All things point to NSW in Aus. He once had an account with big pond and has since changed to iinet. He posts his replies to different news servers for reasons known only to him. There is a possibility he has access to a "loose" news server but I doubt it. There really is no mystery here but then again I am just pig ignorant (such an educated use of the english language)

I don't know what the answer is.

Tim Josling

Hard as it might be to swallow, Rod Speed's vote is no less 'worth' than yours or mine - Of course, I'm assuming that he's a primate at the same stage on the evolutionary road

Wrong. As always.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your predicament better than that pathetic effort, gutless.

Wrong. As always, if you choose to fake that.

Yes, really.

Why should I bother ?

So yours was completely irrelevant.

newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail

Duh.

As always.

As always.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your predicament better than that pathetic effort, gutless.

You might choose to bear in mind what the federal crimes act has to say about you doing that sort of thing, gutless.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your predicament better than that pathetic effort, gutless.

In spades

No need. Point made.

Are you faking it? See Below:

To show everyone you are not talking sh#t

Quote "Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your predicament better than that pathetic effort, gutless."

news.optusnet.com.au!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!

newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-ma il

But not forever

Thats ok. I am just learning. What is your excuse?

No need

Below:

Yeah right. If the iinet ip address is not yours it must belong to someone. I guess the federal crimes act has something to say about that as well

Predictable

Predictable

Already have

Predictable

As expected. Sometimes Rod you just talk Sh#t!

Predictable

news.optusnet.com.au!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!

news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.netspace.net.au!

newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-ma il

Predictable

Predictable

Predictable

As if you would know!

Rod, I must thankyou for the interesting banter and a reason to find out how NNTP actually works. You do have insightful views at times but I guess you just have a problem knowing when to stop. Don't you realize that predictabilty is such a boring trait??

Who is hiding? I am not the one trying to pathetically mask who I am by logging into different news servers

As expected, pathetic and boring.

But it is always fun to wind up a troll and watch them run!

Is this a power thing?? If so Rod, you can win. It is ok. It does not bother me at all though I would suggest seeking some form of anger management. All this neagtivity cannot be healthy. You do have some good things to say and in a bizarre way your contribution are quite welcome though getting past all of these repetitive and quite tiresome abuse phrases does distract from the points you are trying to make.

There is some truth in that claim to be made but it always involves other people who are seemingly are incapable to understand, never the 'us' making the claim. ;-)

However people have considerable intuition and in fact those who are less literate/intelligent or less 'well informed' often are more able to use this and are often more in touch with it IMHO than those who look at and think they understand all the myriad reasoning and nuances of interpretation. They tend to more often get lost in those and lose the ability to tune in through their basic instinct-intuition to what is really hiding underneath the demeanour and pronunciations of those leaders pushing their preferred course of action for their own ulterior reasons.

And the greatest danger is trusting our politicians or leaders far too much. By nature human beings want to follow those who are in power. Now this is not just a fault of those of limited intelligence or understanding.

All around us, including in this newsgroup, we saw time and again during the propaganda built-up to the Iraqi war, highly intelligent people trusting what those leaders said who were making their case, Poorly at that. First it was the connection with Bin Laden. The case did not make sense nor got traction, when it did not we got WMD, ditto despite atrocious lies, only then did the track change to liberation from Hussein.

For once creating fear, a favourite vehicle for getting other people to agree to something, had not worked. So now appealing to people's higher values was exploited. Then President Bush suddenly began to sound like the Pope on a holy spiritual mission of the highest sanctity.

Even here were Hussein's atrocities manipulated as to time and place and the fact well hidden that the US was supporting Iraq during much of the time for example the much mentioned gassing was done-and- known to the US; now it was using that ghastly act belatedly for its own ultimate reasons.

Now it must have become obvious to those relying on their instinct/intuition that there was something highly fishy about the way the reasons given changed and the way they were made. It showed in most countries by the massive popular opposition to the war prior to its actual start.

My point is that the more intelligent, reasoning and articulate part of the electorate is in many cases even more susceptible to manipulation and the complications of the facts than those less well endowed intellectually. The former engage their reasoning and consequently can get lost in intracacies: while that activity almost by definition make them lose touch with their intuition. Then they often can't see the wood for the trees. ;-)

Now that a lot of those manipulative 'facts' have been shown for what they were worth, the ones who were fooled for reasons of self-justification and ego proclaim, often vociferously to overcome their own inner doubts, that yes they would have supported this pre-emptive non UN supported war anyway and for the very last of all the earlier advanced reasons namely liberating Iraq.

regards Xylord

PS now for the bill, read taxes. Some of us might complain about that with a bit more justification than those hell-bent on running up that bill. ;-)

Maybe you are more easily pleased but he bores the shit out of me. ;-( Killfiled him ages ago but the responses of others to and about him are similarly boring and stuff up a good newsgroup.

regards Xylord