C'mon Newscorp, you can do better than this...

You are correct, all throughout this thread I do talk about pro western government. As if that is necessarily good and the absence of 'pro> western bad. Hmm, you are making assumptions about opinions I have not stated.

But it is no pre-requisite for a good government.

I agree with you totally. being "pro western" does not mean it is a good or not a bad regime...many dictators in the past have been pro western, that does not mean that they are good.

In your opinion. If you read the context peter you will see carefully what I'm talking about.

Bugger all evidence for that in fact.

The most obvious problem with that claim is that you cant demonstrate any genetic effect with say heroin addiction, or why we have gone for VERY long periods with almost no one addicted to heroin etc.

Mindlessly superficial when most of those have completely different physiological effects.

Nope. And plenty say stuff like that about stuff as basic as a decent breakfast which doesnt involve any legal or illegal drugs at all, not even caffeine.

Doesnt qualify as 'medicating', thats a copout.

They aint 'poor people', they're just pathetic addicts. Even if their drug of choice happens to be legal.

And plenty are pathetically addicted to stuff as basic as work or exercise too.

That has a completely different effect with those. And they dont get addicted to them anyway.

ROTFL!

regards Xylord

You seriously think the UK has not any influence over the US? Tony was the main reason that the US even went to the UN to seek a resolution, that is having an influence.

There is plenty of research that suggests a susceptibility to drug dependence has a strong genetic factor. For example it was found that people with one version of a gene had a much harder time giving up tobacco.

But like most things there is a strong environmental influence. If drugs are not available people cannot take them. If people do not try drugs they will not get addicted.

One the other side, if methadone is available, many addicts can live productive lives.

A tendency to obesity clearly has genetic links, but companies spend a lot of money advertising food.

I had an operation a few years ago. Pethedine, an opiate, was administered pre-op. It felt absolutely wonderful.

Tim Josling

Like hell there is.

Pity that there is SFA of anything like that. So your 'plenty of research' is just plain wrong.

And there aint a shred of evidence of any genetic tendency towards addiction.

Sure, but all that shows is that its quite feasible to have a productive life with an addiction. Absolutely no news.

An 'addiction' to work often results in a very 'productive' life.

Thats completely silly too. There is certainly a real genetic factor with the metabolic rate, but thats a different matter entirely.

Separate issue entirely to who ends up an addict, stupid.

Plenty get the same effect with say high risk sports etc. Doesnt mean that there is any physiological addiction involved.

You have your answer if you look at what happened in the end result, instead at looking at process. The US wanted to regardless of UN support. Blair did not really, he wanted UN support. You seem to be happy to define the UK as a nation in US terms with the sop of arguable 'influence'. (see first sentence)

Independence is something else again.

regards Xylord

Well I know that the UK does have a huge influence on the US, it is not a command and control influence, but influence of a freind whose council the US values.

Nevertheless, it was presented as a major reason by Tony Blair (whatever you or I personally think about it).

That opium/heroin exports have gone up tenfold since occupation suggests that Blair would have given *any* reason to justify war. If reasons have to be invented because the public won't go along otherwise then it suggests that our democracy is in trouble OR we'll toss the likes of Blair at the next election.

Reading through the newsgroup header shows Rod is posting to a news server in aus @ iinet therefore he is in aus unless he is some brilliant hacker!

Listen I understand you may have your difference with the "Hot Rod" hahaha hot rod,, do you get it?? LOL ROLF hahahah anyway enough of the jokes...down to serious business, you may take my opinion to be more than knowledgable in this subject, you notice even hot rod listens when I speak, it is because I have the voice of authority, I do not speak for the sake of it, I know what I'm talking about.

Please believe the simple fact that "DRUGS ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH WARS ON TERRORISM"

Ok BJ why are you so hung up about drugs? so what if they have gone up? Whats that got to do with terrorism, whats it got to do with Tony. The CIA have never ever used the drugs trade as a tool.

inteligence by pretending your not..

Yah I saw that he was posting from Aus! But he's not australian. Although he's course enough to be an ausi.

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote in message news:bfl38d$d4u$ snipped-for-privacy@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

Wrong.

You 'know' nothing of the sort, actually.

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote in message news:bfl3bu$d71$ snipped-for-privacy@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

Is that of course or off course.

I agree with HOTROD, nobody is going to get rid of Tone, and the vast majority will vote for him..people forget how popular he actually is, when you compared to anybody since Maggie, nobody has been so popular.....even his own party will fall straight back into line.....He'll get in for a third election I think very easily.

First they said he was not a man, he was like a boy, trying to please everybody...do you remember them saying all that? Now that he's being a true leader, and doing what he believes is correct, everybody saishe's not listening........

He'll not ony win but he'll win miles ahead of anybody else....Nobody in the labor party is so stupid as to risk power. When it comes to the crunch.;

You don't even know what I mean hot rod...do you ?

And there aint anyone thats a viable alternative inside his party, or in the opposition either.

Yeah, with a microscopic possibility of something completely different getting in the way of that, like him getting run over by one of those silly buses you lot ride around it etc or the irish blowing him to bits.

Whoops, there's that dead giveaway again....

Dr.Stephen GoldenGun wrote in message news:bfl6uh$1gi$ snipped-for-privacy@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

Wrong.