RIAS / Nationwide Direct Debit - Unauthorised Debit

Feb 17, 2009 10 Replies

RIAS / Nationwide Direct Debit - Unauthorised Debit = FRAUD?



Has anyone on the Group had any problems with the insurance company RIAS?



Last year RIAS - that proudly advertises its discount services to the older than average - refused to insure the contents of my flat because five year's ago it was being monitored for subsidence. The cracks in the wall were actually due to something termed 'thermal.' But then I moved to another flat and decided to insure my contents at the last minute before going on an extended holiday to New Zealand.



RIAS took my application over the phone, during which I repeatedly stated that I only wanted to insure for the next year (2008), and also that I did not 'do' direct debits because there is too much trouble when they go wrong. The guy at the call centre categorically stated that I could make a one-time payment. I always use a Nationwide Flexaccount card backed by VISA for making online payments, and I expected him to ask me for my VISA card no. However he asked me for my Nationwide Flexaccount (ºnk account) details. When I queried this and asked if it was for a direct debit he said "No." He said that it was for a kind of standing order for a one time annual payment.



I accepted that he was telling the truth. It was only when I returned from New Zealand some months laters that I found that he HAD set up a direct debit on my Nationwide Flexaccount. In other words he had not only LIED to me to keep my business, but that he had also set up a direct debit on my Nationwide account WITHOUT MY AUTHORISATION.



Whilst I was away RIAS sent me the details of the insurance from RIAS by post. At this point I was n't too worried because I was not going to renew the policy for 2009 because I planned to have moved by then.



However I then did Internet banking and cancelled the direct debit and complained to RIAS and Nationwide about this. And I categorically told them both NOT to re-instate the direct debit.



However just recently in February 2009 I have now discovered that my Flexaccount balance was lower than it should have been. On doing Internet banking I discovered that the cancelled direct debit to RIAS had been re-instated by Nationwide - WITHOUT MY AUTHORISATION; and worse that RIAS had taken £114.50 from my Flexaccount to pay for insurance for 2009 that I do not now need. And all of this WITHOUT any form of notification, warning or communication from RIAS or Nationwide.



I know that right now banks and insurance companies are scum of the earth, but this is outright theft, fraud and appalling customer service from two high profile companies that should know better. But like the fat cats of the financial world it seems that the norm is to treat us, the hapless paying public, with the utmost of contempt.



Therefore who should I contact apart from RIAS and Nationwide? And where do I stand legally in requiring a complete refund of the money paid and an assurance that this will not happen to me again.



Meanwhile I suggest that everyone avoids RIAS like the plague and think twice before banking with Nationwide. AND NEVER DO DIRECT DEBIT.



C.J.Brady


If they have taken DD payments which are incorrect then you contact your bank and invoke the DD guarantee and get the payments refunded . As for the £114.50 what sort of payment was that . I'd imagine you'd need to start shouting at whoever took the money RIAS. As an aside how long were you away and was the flat unoccupied all that time as insurance companies usually like to know these sort of things?

Why continue to deal with either of them? Go to the banking ombudsman.

CJB wrote: ... AND NEVER DO DIRECT DEBIT.

You have no idea how close I was to bursting out laughing at that. A couple of weeks back I started a new account, for one of my boys but my name. Somewhere along the process I ticked a box to transfer ALL the direct debits from my current account to the new one, without realising it. They sent me a few letters in the meantime and I thought I'd open them when I needed the account running, about now I suppose. And then I discovered that all my standing orders had gone over. I've spent the best part of six HOURS on the phone today to various mortgages, credit cards, subscriptions, even PayPal, getting them all set back to their original bank. And I've not finished yet... As an aside, you know that annoying platitude "Your call is important to us and will be answered shortly" followed by "we're experiencing very high call volumes at the moment"? Even the sodding WDCS had "high call volumes" today! If call volumes are ALWAYS high, shouldn't they got some more bloody staff?

CJB posted

You haven't yet told us what response you have had from either of them, so the question does not yet arise.

In principle, what you do is call Nationwide, tell them your account was debited in error, cite the DD guarantee, and require them to reimburse the money. They should do so immediately.

They may not; they may instead tell you to contact RIAS. But just keep repeating that it is an error and the DD compels them to do what you ask. Get a copy of the DD leaflet and quote it to them.

If they refuse, then it is time to consider contacting somebody else. Alternatively - and what I'd do personally (assuming there is an overdraft facility on the account) - withdraw all your money in cash plus the disputed amount, then write to them closing the account and tell them you'll keep the overdrawn amount in lieu of the amount lost through the fraudulent DD.

I agree, but I don't think it solves the problem. As you've already noticed, a company can DD your account without your permission. So even if you never set up any DD with anybody, you're not entirely safe from their depredations. The system is out of control, as could have been predicted some time ago.

Hope you have learned to read what you are filling in then ?

WDCS ?

Ummmm, yes :( Its bloody irritating though that you can take them all AWAY with a single checkbox, but that there is no process in existence with my current bank to bring them all BACK!

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Has anyone on the Group had any problems with the insurance company RIAS?

I wrote to these people after my husband died to tell them to stop all mailings.

They then added my name to their mailing list so I just send their rubbish back in an envelope without a stamp. I've signed up with the Mailing Preference Service but they keep writing - it's driving me mad.

Splodge

If traders start playing 'fast and loose' with verbally authorised DD's, Parliament should outlaw the practice, ie a bank forbidden to action a direct debit unless there is a written authorisation from the customer for that particular creditor. New Zealand banks require that written authorisation in each instance before allowing direct debits.

Now that internet / telephone banking is becoming quite common, there seems no reason why DD authorisation cannot be confirmed via these means.

"Frederick Williams"

My thoughts too.

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