If I fry my chip will I be asked to sign? (chip and pin)

I'll ask again but spelling it out, how does it know if the card is C&P enabled _if it cant read the chip_?

If you don't believe me you will have to try it out.

Who said I dont believe you? I just asked a simple question, "how does the ATM know whether its a C&P card or not?". If you dont know, all you have to do is say 'I dont know'.

Tumbleweed wrote: ...

I imagine there's a bit on the stripe that says "use the chip" ?????

And bits on the stripe are impossible to change! :-)

Can't say, but in the old days of the Banking Ombudsman, "they" nearly always did, until enlightenment dawned.

So Sandra what's-her-name would have us believe.

At 21:23:13 on 19/07/2006, Tumbleweed delighted uk.finance by announcing:

The service code on the mag stripe indicates the presence of a chip. No, it's not impossible to change this; indeed, it's the work of a few seconds with a few pounds' worth of equipment. It all depends on whether the track data itself is sent to the issuer for authentication; this would eliminate that as a means of attack.

However, all the above still means nothing if the card is taken abroad to a machine without a chip reader.

That was my understanding also. No loophole there then. NOT.

"Mike Scott" wrote

Why not simply have a new question appear on the screen at the ATM:- "Are you a criminal? Yes / No..."

Because, of course, all criminals will say "Yes" -- won't they? ;-)

Sounds like the US immmigration visa form. Or on the docks at Miami where you slef check your boat in, and the sign says ;'call this no if you are carrying any illegal drugs'.

I'm told they actually do ask something more or less similar on US visa applications. "Are you a terrorist?" or some such.

In message , Tumbleweed writes

Always tick the genocide box and tell them: Yes, I committed genocide twice over the weekend and once before breakfast. (Only do this if you don't want to leave the airport!)

Entertainingly enough my parents went to New York last year and they want to finger print you now, someone in their party was told to put his forefinger on the pad, and just said no, and then repeated the exercise to wind up the immigration bod a little bit, and finally pointed out that he had no forefinger, which diffused the situation.

My own solution to New York immigration worked quite well - I couldn't understand him, and I'm not all that convinced he was speaking English.

Silly me. I thought chip and PIN was now a requirement unless you didn't have a chip and PIN card. However all Shell petrol stations still require a signature after a well publicised fraud a few months ago, and Tesco tills randomly produce a signature slip for no apparent reason - whereupon my card issuer emails me helpfully commenting "We noticed you didn't use your PIN. If you don't know what it is, just ask.".

At 13:55:12 on 25/07/2006, BrianW delighted uk.finance by announcing:

Eh?

They require a signature precisely *because* of the well publicised fraud a few months ago.

Sounds like a system problem (either with your card or their POS) with the transaction doing exactly what it's meant to; fall back to signature.