Could get into an interesting discusion about issues such as legal tender etc. For example if you put 30 of petrol in and tried to pay with 60 50p coins you could be refused as it would not be "legal tender". The individual coins would be ok but the quantity not.
Perhaps not quite the same as with the C&P cards.
Now, if you filled up with petrol and they wouldn't accept your card unless you told them the PIN, as referred to in another sub-thread, that would be even more interesting.
A lot of petrol stations will give you the option to phone a friend and get their credit card details, if you do this they won't require the PIN. This carries the same (or slightly more) risk as bypassing the PIN on your own card so I imagine petrol stations will let you sign but record your details on the slip incase of chargeback.
Otherwise, they will simply have to give you the option to pay within a certain time period. They might tell you they'll phone the police but if you had no intention of leaving without paying it becomes a civil matter and they won't get involved, although they might tell you otherwise.
"rob." wrote
How can agreement from merely an employee of a company, *without* authority, bind the company to those views??!
Without a hint of irony, "rob." astounded uk.finance on 18 Oct 2004 by announcing:
Legal tender has no meaning in this instance.
Without a hint of irony, "Tim" astounded uk.finance on 18 Oct
2004 by announcing:
How can one be sure that the employee even saw, let alone agreed to, the disclaimer?
It can. It is then the company's problem to deal with the employee if he acted without authorisation.
If the customer might reasonably assume that the particular employee was in a position to bind the company, then yes; for example, if the employee was or purported to be a director or senior manager. Otherwise, no.
The example above is still ludicrous, though.
Matti
"Steve" wrote
You probably mis-understood my comment - whatever the employee says/does, the actual **views** of the company will not change (whether or not the company later has to act on the comments made by the employee).
The company's views will stay the same - even if their future actions differ from those views, due to promises made in contravention of those views.
Well the petrol station could sue for payment of the petrol you took, and insist on payment in legal tender. That is very different from being able to say that you stole the petrol.
To say you stole the petrol, they would need to show that you intended to permanently deprive them of it. The fact that you were willing to pay, albeit by credit/debit card without using the chip and pin system would be a good defence there.
The petrol station may say otherwise, the police almost certainly won't.
It is no more ludicrous than the disclaimers that many companies put onto all their outgoing emails.
I had words with my bank about some of theirs. For example they used to send emails with a para at the END saying "if this is not for you don't read it"
I had one the other day froma company with a footer that read: If you got this by mistake delete it - and then reply to tell us!!!!
They are getting better but there are still a few that say YOU MUST DO THIS - YOU MUST NOT DO THAT. THIS MIGHT BE CONFIDENTIAL. If you don't want me to have your "confidential" material - don't send it to me - but if you do I am free to do what I like with it. (Unless the "you" happens to the MoD, SIS etc :-) )
"Jonathan Bryce" wrote
Do you think the customer is always allowed to choose their own method of payment?
What if you offered a gold watch (subjectively valued at sufficient to cover the petrol cost)? Or a large mound of horse manure, sufficient to have the same value?!
"M'lud, I offered the cashier my 5 year-old pair of shoes as payment and - heaven forbid - she refused!"
rob. wrote: ...
My understanding (but IANAL) is that (OSA aside) while the text is probably copyright and so shouldn't be duplicated, the information contained isn't, and can be done with as you wish. Presumably if a company's commercial secrets are accidentally emailed out to an inappropriate recipient, then that's just tough luck.......
Don't you just love those emails that assure the recipient "this email has been checked for viruses..."?? Yeh, sure :-)
they are no longer commercial secrets.
Sorry, I meant the petrol station.
Without a hint of irony, snipped-for-privacy@scottbell.org (Scott Bell) astounded uk.finance on 21 Oct 2004 by announcing:
Indeed. It's hard enough trying to get the police involved in things they are supposed to investigate, without them bothering about things that are nothing to do with them.
In message id on 16 Oct 2004
23:03:10 GMT, Alex wrote in uk.finance :
Are you a civil servant?
The clue is in the unexplained acronyms.
Can you translate into English English please?
Thanks.
In message id on Thu, 14 Oct
2004 20:55:08 GMT, Neaco wrote in uk.finance :
Forget the plastic and the inherent technologies that force you into a certain behavioural trait.
Cash is King and always will be.
Negotiate a discount as there is no risk of failure to pay.
Unless of course you are using dodgy fivers....
Without a hint of irony, John Blake astounded uk.finance on 23 Nov 2004 by announcing:
No. I'm in the card payments industry.
EMV = Europay/Mastercard/VISA - what you know as "Chip & PIN" - their website is
PMO is the UK EMV Programme Management Organisation - their website is
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