Quicken 2006 downloading going away

Hi, Nathan.

When your 3-year subscription to a magazine expires, do you accuse the publisher of forcing you to re-subscribe? Or do you recognize that you got what you paid for and, if you want to keep getting the magazine, you'll need to pay to renew your subscription?

I'm using Quicken Deluxe 2009, but I still have the packaging for my copy of Quicken Basic 2006. Nowhere on the package do I see any claim that it will download stock quotes, even for one day. There is a promise to "Download bank and credit card information", but that has a footnote in very tiny print that says, "Online features require Internet access and are subject to change."

The 3-year "sunset" policy for Quicken quotes has been well-known for several years and has been discussed here many times. It SHOULD be disclosed on the Quicken package, but I don't see it.

If I choose not to buy another Quicken package before the Spring of 2012, I will not be surprised - or feel cheated - if it stops downloading quotes at that time. I won't be "forced" to do anything. I will be able to continue using Q2009 for the rest of my life, but without the convenience of downloading quotes. I will have received what Intuit had promised me (even if it was less than I had hoped for).

Having said all that, I agree that it would be nice to have available a source to continue downloading quotes into Quicken. And free would be nice. ; I am using Quicken 2006 and it's doing everything that I need. Intuit want

I agree with what RC said, but if you want to continue to use Quicken

2006, and import stock quotes, you can download NetStock from splitcycle.com. That has function to download quotes to a text file that Quicken can import. The import of quotes shows up in the file->import menu when you are in the portfolio view.

SplitCycle would like a $5.00 donation to help pay for the cost of maintaining the NetStock program, but it isn't required. A used copy of Quicken Deluxe 2009 from Amazon.com is $29.99. EBay has it as low as $19.99.

-- Jim

I respectfully disagree, buying a software product is not a subscription to a magazine. It should continue to work as it worked the day that I bought it. How would you buy a toaster that would stop working after three years with a stipulation to buy another "improved" version. the only reason Intuit is doing it is to squeeze out a few more dollars from you.

You are wrong. It does not matter what you "think" you bought.

First: you did not BUY anything except a license to use Quicken: a license defined by Intuit. And that license is the equivalent to a subscription when it comes to downloading.

Toasters do not connect to the internet. If, and when they do: you will face some version of the situation you face with Quicken. If you can't comprehend this ... you are doomed to your self-inflicted dissatisfaction and anxiety.

You DO NOT OWN Quicken. Period.

If you do not like the arrangement: use some other product.

[Your ignorant comment that "the only reason Intuit is doing this" is that they want to make more money shows how little you understand about how the world works: corporations are in business to make money ... not to give away their product. Find another product that serves you better: you will never change the way this product works, because you are totally out of touch with reality.]

That would be correct if you had purchased Quicken but you did not, you only purchased a license to use it and that's a VERY different thing.

You can download quotes from YAHOO finance. They download to a file "quotes.csv". From the "prices" screen in Quicken, quotes.com can be imported into Quicken.

I do that routinely.

I got this from Quicken Help (Q2009D)

Per 2009 Software License Agreement - some key points:

RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. The Software is licensed not sold, and Intuit reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this Agreement. The Software is protected by copyright, trade secret and other intellectual property laws. Intuit and its licensors own the title, copyright, and other worldwide intellectual property rights in the Software and all copies of the Software. This Agreement does not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of Intuit.

FINANCIAL INSTITUTION SERVICES.

3.1 General. In connection with Licensee's use of the Software and as part of the functionality of the Software, Licensee may have access to certain online services that may be made available by Licensee's financial institutions ("FI Services"), including online banking, online payment, online investment account download, online bill pay, and online trading. The Software is designed to allow Licensee to access FI Services (if and to the extent provided by Licensee's financial institutions) to set up banking information, schedule the Software to access Licensee's account(s), download transactions into the Software and otherwise aggregate information from Licensee's account(s) with Licensee's financial institutions. Licensee acknowledges and agrees that Intuit has no control over the provision of FI Services or provision of access to the FI Services by Licensee's financial institutions, does not guarantee that Licensee will be able to use the Software with the FI Services, and will have no liability whatsoever for any actions or inactions on the part of the financial institutions resulting in Licensee's inability to use the Software to access Licensee's accounts, obtain data, download transactions, or otherwise use or access the FI Services.

From Help in General regarding the sunset policy:

In an ongoing effort to provide reliable high-quality products and services, Intuit periodically retires (also known as "sunsets") older versions of Quicken, thereby discontinuing online services and live technical support for these versions. For more information, visit our Web site.

Oilcan

-----Orig> Hi, Nathan.

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I respectfully disagree, buying a software product is not a subscription

to a magazine. It should continue to work as it worked the day that I bought it. How would you buy a toaster that would stop working after three years with a stipulation to buy another "improved" version. the only reason Intuit is doing it is to squeeze out a few more dollars from

you.

Nathan Gutman wrote in news:9sHpl.23644$ snipped-for-privacy@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com:

It does continue to work as advertised, including the end of your subscription to the downloading.

I got this from Quicken Help (Q2009D)

Per 2009 Software License Agreement - some key points:

RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. The Software is licensed not sold, and Intuit reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this Agreement. The Software is protected by copyright, trade secret and other intellectual property laws. Intuit and its licensors own the title, copyright, and other worldwide intellectual property rights in the Software and all copies of the Software. This Agreement does not grant you any rights to trademarks or service marks of Intuit.

FINANCIAL INSTITUTION SERVICES.

3.1 General. In connection with Licensee's use of the Software and as part of the functionality of the Software, Licensee may have access to certain online services that may be made available by Licensee's financial institutions ("FI Services"), including online banking, online payment, online investment account download, online bill pay, and online trading. The Software is designed to allow Licensee to access FI Services (if and to the extent provided by Licensee's financial institutions) to set up banking information, schedule the Software to access Licensee's account(s), download transactions into the Software and otherwise aggregate information from Licensee's account(s) with Licensee's financial institutions. Licensee acknowledges and agrees that Intuit has no control over the provision of FI Services or provision of access to the FI Services by Licensee's financial institutions, does not guarantee that Licensee will be able to use the Software with the FI Services, and will have no liability whatsoever for any actions or inactions on the part of the financial institutions resulting in Licensee's inability to use the Software to access Licensee's accounts, obtain data, download transactions, or otherwise use or access the FI Services.

From Help in General regarding the sunset policy:

In an ongoing effort to provide reliable high-quality products and services, Intuit periodically retires (also known as "sunsets") older versions of Quicken, thereby discontinuing online services and live technical support for these versions. For more information, visit our Web site.

Oilcan

-----Orig> Hi, Nathan.

Internet

I respectfully disagree, buying a software product is not a subscription

to a magazine. It should continue to work as it worked the day that I bought it. How would you buy a toaster that would stop working after three years with a stipulation to buy another "improved" version. the only reason Intuit is doing it is to squeeze out a few more dollars from

you.

I respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement! The

*software* still works! The *subscription* to online banking has been terminated. You can "Quicken" to your hearts content. You can't use online banking. Your toaster analogy is faulty. It's more like, would you buy a toaster that would stop working when you move to another place and neglect to turn on the electricity at the new place?

Well there's the buy Quicken 2009 workaround... ;-)

Hi, John.

And so are we all! And rightly so.

What always amazes me is any person who condemns a business for wanting to make a higher profit - and then goes on strike, or changes jobs, or angles for a promotion, all for higher wages! Doesn't he see that his own motivation is exactly the same as what he condemns the business for?

It's just human nature, I suppose, to fail to connect the dots to see that the business owner's profit motive is exactly the same as the worker's goal: to support his family. And the shopper's goal is also the same: to buy that support as economically as possible.

One of my favorite quotes is from The Twelve Cannots, often attributed to Abraham Lincoln: "You cannot help the wage earner by putting the wage payer out of business."

RC

Could you kindly explain how exactly are you doing it? How to do this to get into this quotes.csv file a list of symbols? Thanks

XS11E wrote in news:Xns9BBEC4F4A6335xs11emailinatorcom@127.0.0.1:

I don't believe that is really true. In the US, these sorts of transactions are covered under state law. The states have for the most part adopted a set of laws known as the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). The UCC doesn't really provide for the kind of thing that the typical software license specifies, so state courts have taken various positions as to the status of these "licenses". I think in general they consider them as "goods".

The software publishers didn't like this situation, so in th 1990s they got the authors of the UCC to create new provisions for software licenses that were placed in a so-called Article 2A. A couple states adopted Art 2A, but it caused an uproar among consumer groups and the move to get it accepted in all the states has stalled AFAIK. I think the software publishers are using the courts to try to accept their interpretation of software licenses, rather than trying to change the law via legislation at this point.

scott s. .

Yes, it really is.

Correct but not always relevant, some info here:

Scroll down go see the section on enforceability. "No Court has ruled on the validity of EULAs generally; decisions are limited to particular provisions and terms."

More:

"You may wonder whether these licenses are legal. Most of them do hold up in court as long as they are reasonably clear, according to Parry Aftab, an attorney specializing in Internet privacy and security law "The courts have said that if you click on something saying 'I agree' then it's legal consent."" Moral, the EULA is a legal, binding contract unless/until a court rules otherwise on the *specific* EULA in your software. If you disagree be aware it could cost you more than $20,000 (if you live in one of the cheaper states!) out of your pocket to get the case into Superior Court.

Do as I did.

Go to the YAHOO finance web site and read the Help section. Set up a portfolio containing the stocks/funds you want to download quotes on. Read how to download the quotes to a file. The file will contain one line for each item you enter. The line will contain Symbol, last price, and date, among other information.

Go to Quicken Help and read how to import prices from a .csv file into Quicken. Then follow the instructions.

It works! Prices and Date of Price will be imported into Quicken for each stock/fund which are both listed in the .csv file and for which you have a position in Quicken.

You can believe all you want - it doesn't make it law.

Take your "theory" to court. Report back to us about your progress. My money says you lose.

Again, go prevail in court. You will lose. You'd have an easier time writing Quicken by yourself!

Andrew DeFaria said

But Q2007,8 off EBAY.

I've done this for several turns of Quicken and found it to be a $aving$. ;-)

My workaround was going to be to either stop using Quicken or use it and enter transactions manually.

However this months coupon booklet from Costco includes a $20 off Quicken

2009 coupon which brought the price to $19.99 which I was willing to pay and go to 2009 from the 2006 version.